Market Discussions

Ice. I'm already sitting on over 1M cubes.

Its prolly too late anyway to move on those rumours so would you mind sharing what you have heard with the rest of us? It could be interesting to hear what people are thinking it going to happen?

Tags on the left as I said, Ice in the middle, Incursions and of course moon goo.

After skilltree rebalance Iteron Mark V will only need Gallente industrial level I. Orca training time will be reduced from 49 to 17 days.

Maybe demand for those 2 ship types will rise.

Dear MD community members...

I really love many posts in this thread, because they show an overall community progression towards markets mechanics consciousness.

Now I'll add some of my own informations, largely taken from years of RL trading.

1) Trading is all about knowing more than the next guy, to the point one of the most in depth markets microstructure books by Larry Harris mention the terminology of "informed traders" vs "uninformed traders".

2) Both RL and EvE markets are all out PvP battlegrounds. Those who really believe RL markets are more regulated or even fair than EvE, are in for an huuuuuge wake up call.
In reality, there have been past EvE insider "interactions" favoring certain parties and in RL you can actually and legally (for some good money) buy a "partial" advantage by having news (i.e. Bloomberg) delivered to you slightly before the rest of the world.

3) The fight for information is done with no respite, no restraint, no remorse. The collective of EvE (and RL) market players WILL use what's given to them AND will even set up their own advantage devices to prevail. That's just how markets work, it's part of their self optimizing nature. In this regard it's just a given that if 3rd party tools come available, those able to use/understand/exploit/access them, WILL do so and will possibly keep those tools secret.
There are some exceptions to that (i.e. I shared every advantage tool I use) but they are due to personal inclinations and not the norm.

4) Patch speculation is not a "shoot in the dark and hope to hit the target" nor a "hop on the band wagon" activity.
Those who do so become "liquidity providers", that is are those who WILL lose and will make the likes of Mynna, Akita T, me, Block Ukx richer.
Patch and no patch speculation (swing trading does not require a patch to achieve results) require in depth knowledge of the game and / or knowledge of price reading and is done when the other traders don't even imagine what the hot items could be. Time and knowledge win the markets, waiting for news to be out and / or hopping on the band wagon are THE prime recipe for disaster, both in EvE and (way way more) in RL.

The worst possible combination is: hop on the band wagon AND late. This WILL insure you are the one who will lose money.

Always recall, the majority of market players lose. If you act like "everyone does this" you will also lose like "everyone doing this".

You don't need to, you could always go the lazy way like I do and just do price reading.

The Orca might be a good bet but I'm not sure about the Mark V. The dev have mentioned that these come along with balancing the Indys. This is assumed to mean some will be tanky, fast, or have large cargos. So in theory the mark 5 will have biggest cargo hold and only require Gal Indy 1 so everyone will want to fly it. This has a number of flaws:

- That it will be compelling in terms of cargo space at 1-3 skill levels vs badger at 4-5. (Remember the Caldari Charon is the biggest freighter so there are a lot of people with Caldari Indy at hgh levels)
- That the Mark V will in fact have the largest cargo hold after rebalance. Caldari industrial ships generally have the largest cargo holds.
- Mark V's are already priced pretty high so your margins may be low.
- If the devs equalize the mineral cost for making various indys then there is likely to be a glut of cheap indys on the market for 6-12 months which will depress overall Indy prices.

Personally I'd look at the cheap lower end indys rather than the Mark V. Say the Hoarder, Sigil, and Wreathe.....

Anything Tech I won't move much or, if it does, you'll have a narrow window to cash out in. Unless there are mineral changes involved (as with tiericide) I'd stay away from them, personally.

Phantasms & Ashimmus guys....

Ice is moving to depletable exploration sites in high sec and W-Space