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[Odyssey] Tech 1 Battleships - Gallente

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Virgil Disith
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1881 - 2013-04-17 10:22:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Virgil Disith
I had read other BS threads seeing updates to bonuses based on feed back, so I excitedly hopped over here hoping, praying something would have been done about the hyperion's worthless armor bonus.

Disappointment. Disappointed enough to post in an almost 100 page thread, too.

What are you worried about making it too strong for? It's only going to be used in missions anyways.

Are you guys at CCP so adamant that active armor tanking isn't dead unless you fit at least 3 reppers? Do you really want this active armor dream not to die, or something?

You want the hyperion to be flyable in more than 1 or 2 situations? Get rid of that ****** armor rep bonus.
Phoenix Torp
Almost Absolute
#1882 - 2013-04-17 10:25:40 UTC
Virgil Disith wrote:
I had read other BS threads seeing updates to bonuses based on feed back, so I excitedly hopped over here hoping, praying something would have been done about the hyperion's worthless armor bonus.

Disappointment. Disappointed enough to post in an almost 100 page thread, too.

What are you worried about making it too strong for? It's only going to be used in missions anyways.

Are you guys at CCP so adamant that active armor tanking isn't dead unless you fit at least 3 reppers? Do you really want this active armor dream not to die, or something?

You want the hyperion to be flyable in more than 1 or 2 situations? Get rid of that ****** armor rep bonus.


They are thinking how change all this mess. Sadly, they will finish doing little and the people will have another deception with Gallente. I'm seeing it...

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Phoenix_Torp
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#1883 - 2013-04-17 10:38:13 UTC
Phoenix Torp wrote:
They are thinking how change all this mess. Sadly, they will finish doing little and the people will have another deception with Gallente. I'm seeing it...

That depend on your expectations with this balancing job : people tend to expect their ship to be better than any other ship in almost all areas of the game. They are just asking for deception.

However, for their designated role, Hyperion and Dominix will be beasts. I'm just skeptical about the Megathron, but the tracking bonus may be enough to differentiate it from the Hyperion.
49125
Growing Old Disgracefully
#1884 - 2013-04-17 10:47:10 UTC  |  Edited by: 49125
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
However, for their designated role, Hyperion and Dominix will be beasts. I'm just skeptical about the Megathron, but the tracking bonus may be enough to differentiate it from the Hyperion.

How will the new domi be a 'beast' in the (sniper) role as compared to the current stats?
Seriously, how does an in-built OTL, some tank, and some PG turn the domi into a 'beast'?

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1885 - 2013-04-17 10:52:15 UTC
49125 wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
However, for their designated role, Hyperion and Dominix will be beasts. I'm just skeptical about the Megathron, but the tracking bonus may be enough to differentiate it from the Hyperion.

How will the new domi be a 'beast' in the (sniper) role as compared to the current stats?
Seriously, how does an in-built OTL, some tank, and some PG turn the domi into a 'beast'?

Agreed, what would turn it into a beast sniper ship would be a control range bonus as well.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Phoenix Torp
Almost Absolute
#1886 - 2013-04-17 10:53:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Torp
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Phoenix Torp wrote:
They are thinking how change all this mess. Sadly, they will finish doing little and the people will have another deception with Gallente. I'm seeing it...

That depend on your expectations with this balancing job : people tend to expect their ship to be better than any other ship in almost all areas of the game. They are just asking for deception.

However, for their designated role, Hyperion and Dominix will be beasts. I'm just skeptical about the Megathron, but the tracking bonus may be enough to differentiate it from the Hyperion.


The only BS that I can't wear are amarr (and, BTW, lasers). It's not my ship. If I want I can forget all this and fit a Maelstrom, or a Rokh, or even a Scorpion as also have EW skills, or a lot of things. I have not tried the Hyperion and the Dominix only 1 time for seeing time to complete L4 missions (and finished with the Nighthawk), but can see as the Megathron it's a completely mess. They have a tracking bonus to be near of your enemy and after that you are forced to fit armor buffer that slow down your ship (not nano, like a Minma would do) for have proper EHP. You are forced to be nearest of your enemy (OK, projectile have less optimal range than you but his falloff compensates that, and viceversa with Amarr) for then, if the enemy tries the idea to approach to you and then it stops your ship, or at least stop your orbiting, your genial tracking is useless as him will have maximum damage with a Mega that "tries" to orbit his enemy.
The last try to give some opportunity to the Mega will be fitting Railguns. It's the only solution that see for the way that have done the Mega...

The sentries in the Domi are perfect for missions, but not for PVP. And, as have said, for PVE you can fit whatever you want. And the Hyperion, as have said, it's a buffer tank (low speed) with a velocity certificate. Kind of ridiculous.

If I only post in this thread is to make see CCP the contradiction that represents Gallente. And the fact that no simple solution will have this problem (or some of their pilots won't accept the change).

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Phoenix_Torp
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#1887 - 2013-04-17 10:55:53 UTC
49125 wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
However, for their designated role, Hyperion and Dominix will be beasts. I'm just skeptical about the Megathron, but the tracking bonus may be enough to differentiate it from the Hyperion.

How will the new domi be a 'beast' in the (sniper) role as compared to the current stats?
Seriously, how does an in-built OTL, some tank, and some PG turn the domi into a 'beast'?

Tank and PG should compensate for the loss of the damage bonus. Tracking and range will help the drones and sentries, the main weapon of the dominix. It will be the same as before, but better in almost every way. Only the full gank shield domi should not be better. It's not an overpowered beast, but it's still the beast it was before, but better.

Of course the Armageddon will be better than the dominix as a neutralizing ship, but the abaddon or typhoon were already better, so it's hardly a real reduction to its niche. With anything drone related, it will still be the best IMO. The armageddon will be a contender of course, but all ships need a place, and the armageddon place won't be the top drone ship place IMO.
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#1888 - 2013-04-17 11:03:59 UTC
Phoenix Torp wrote:
The only BS that I can't wear are amarr (and, BTW, lasers). It's not my ship. If I want I can forget all this and fit a Maelstrom, or a Rokh, or even a Scorpion as also have EW skills, or a lot of things. I have not tried the Hyperion and the Dominix only 1 time for seeing time to complete L4 missions (and finished with the Nighthawk), but can see as the Megathron it's a completely mess. They have a tracking bonus to be near of your enemy and after that you are forced to fit armor buffer that slow down your ship (not nano, like a Minma would do) for have proper EHP. You are forced to be nearest of your enemy (OK, projectile have less optimal range than you but his falloff compensates that, and viceversa with Amarr) for then, if the enemy tries the idea to approach to you and then it stops your ship, or at least stop your orbiting, your genial tracking is useless as him will have maximum damage with a Mega that "tries" to orbit his enemy.
The last try to give some opportunity to the Mega will be fitting Railguns. It's the only solution that see for the way that have done the Mega...

The sentries in the Domi are perfect for missions, but not for PVP. And, as have said, for PVE you can fit whatever you want. And the Hyperion, as have said, it's a buffer tank (low speed) with a velocity certificate. Kind of ridiculous.

If I only post in this thread is to make see CCP the contradiction that represents Gallente. And the fact that no simple solution will have this problem (or some of their pilots won't accept the change).

This is rather uninformed about gallente warfare. Of course catching the target is always required for blasters to work, there is tools to do it, and gallente blasters doctrines tend to be fairly effective, with thorax or TWEED. As for their BS, they are arguably the best for small gang, with insane dps and a lot of mid slots for control and tackle. Basically, a blaster BS can either kill its target or MJD away. Indeed that's not huge blobfest warfare, but as I said, all ships need a place.
49125
Growing Old Disgracefully
#1889 - 2013-04-17 11:28:32 UTC  |  Edited by: 49125
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Tank and PG should compensate for the loss of the damage bonus. Tracking and range will help the drones and sentries, the main weapon of the dominix. It will be the same as before, but better in almost every way. Only the full gank shield domi should not be better. It's not an overpowered beast, but it's still the beast it was before, but better.

Thanks for the reply. My issue with the new domi, specifically the drone bonuses, is that is does not offer me anything that i did not fit for before. The extra drone damage is mitigated my the loss of gun dps (re your take there, ALL BS seem to be getting, at least, tank bonuses) and the tracking / optimal was already in my fit. I gain ... sig radius, pg, tank, and a mid slot that I need to fit for sniping. I dunno.

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Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#1890 - 2013-04-17 11:33:16 UTC
49125 wrote:
Thanks for the reply. My issue with the new domi, specifically the drone bonuses, is that is does not offer me anything that i did not fit for before. The extra drone damage is mitigated my the loss of gun dps (re your take there, ALL BS seem to be getting, at least, tank bonuses) and the tracking / optimal was already in my fit. I gain ... sig radius, pg, tank, and a mid slot that I need to fit for sniping. I dunno.

Tiericide is not meant to give you more of anything. Tiericided only aim at making all ship good for something. That is also a point of deception for a lot people it seem.
49125
Growing Old Disgracefully
#1891 - 2013-04-17 11:40:28 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Tiericided only aim at making all ship good for something. That is also a point of deception for a lot people it seem.

Fair enough. I won't fly it anymore.

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1892 - 2013-04-17 11:43:47 UTC
The 2 free mid slots on the new Dominix are huge, while you loose some raw DPS your damage application from both drones and guns is greatly improved (should you choose to fit tracking computers in those free mid slots) and because you get the benefit of 2 unstacked omnidirectional tracking links it is an improvement there also.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
William R Blake
We Did A Thing
Probably Up to No Good
#1893 - 2013-04-17 11:45:43 UTC  |  Edited by: William R Blake
95 pages of feedback for Gallente BS thread,mostly complaints and frustrations. CCP u must be doing something REAL wrong here with Gallente BS.


I want my Mega to have Domi's or Hype's EHP!!! It deserves it!
Johnny Aideron
Order of Rouvenor
#1894 - 2013-04-17 11:53:28 UTC
I wrote such a long post that I ended up making a new thread out of it instead:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=226292&find=unread
William R Blake
We Did A Thing
Probably Up to No Good
#1895 - 2013-04-17 12:03:52 UTC
Johnny Aideron wrote:
I wrote such a long post that I ended up making a new thread out of it instead:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=226292&find=unread



i love his proposal soooo effing much that i would anything to make it happen. Finally a real line up that defines Gallente!
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#1896 - 2013-04-17 12:33:47 UTC
New Domi is the biggest Falcon nerf to date

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1897 - 2013-04-17 12:39:58 UTC
Roime wrote:
New Domi is the biggest Falcon nerf to date

The only real nerf the Dominix got was the Armageddon.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
androch
LitlCorp
#1898 - 2013-04-17 12:44:30 UTC
domi looks ugly it needs a remodel if youre going to force it to be a carrier make it look like one
Virgil Disith
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1899 - 2013-04-17 13:00:47 UTC
It's nice that Gallente do the whole "drone thing", and have some sort of niche role...

but what ultimately urks me is that there is absolutely no "fleet" option out of their line up. Hyperion would be an optimal choice imo, but that FRICKING repair bonus... what a waste. This bonus WILL go to waste, sans missioners, unless that's what CCP intends for it to be good at, and nothing else (except maybe solo camping? in a hype? i guess if you're rich/bored)

right down to their command ships...gallente really herp the derp in terms of a 'fleet' option. if that's their niche, just say so, so I can turn away for good and not look back.

so much disappoint
Excaliblur
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1900 - 2013-04-17 13:18:55 UTC
Helicity Boson wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:
Quote:
Your metrics are fine. your interpretation of the metrics is deeply flawed.


Care to shed any light?

The primary reason people fly gallente? That just happens to be the race they started as before they knew better. they like blasters and they like the way the ships look and they just sort of make due with the fact they are awful.
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^^ This,

My unfortunately neamed toon was started in 2003 and the above quote just about sums it up.