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ShahFluffers
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#21 - 2013-04-17 06:03:49 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
penifSMASH wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
3 sets is enough to last the duration of most small gang engagements, and Domi is about to get more, or do you plan to never dock?

Three sets of sentry drones are DEFINITELY not enough if you are sniping. The last time I pulled some sniper shenanigans I bounced between at least 5 or 6 different tactical points. That's 5 or 6 times I would have left sentry drones behind had I been flying a drone boat.
Face it... sniping with sentry drones is a gimmick due to the nature of sentry drones (again, they are immobile). Apocs (or your preferred Abaddons) can pull off sniper tactics better and more efficiently because they won't leave behind their own weapon system just by moving around!!
Slapping a bonus that only really applies to sentry drones is a wishful and misguided judgement on the part of CCP... and yes... I'm mad (which almost NEVER happens).

Btw... how do you expect to restock on drones when you are in the middle of hostile territory?

edit: citation on a drone bay buff for the Dominix. I'm not finding it anywhere.

sabre906 wrote:
If you fly Ishtar with low HAC skill in the middle of null for pve, that's a different matter than what we were talking about.

The Ishtar is the only ship I have ever seen to use sentries beyond "sit and tank." This is due to its incredible mobility (in a shield-nano fit of course) which allows it to easily collect sentries that it leaves behind without putting itself in unnecessary danger.


I don't know what you intend on using sentry-based ships for, but if you plan on using it like an old-school sniper HAC or a sniping Tornado/Naga, sentries are terrible because you ditch them every time you perch or warp out (which is often). But you know this and it is the reason why no one ever used Ishtars in HAC gangs back in 2008 or 2009.

However, our alliance experimented with sentry-based fleet comps with mixed results. Having flown both Gila and Navy Domi fleets extensively, there's only been two occasions where we ran out of drones. And one of those times we were able to scoop our old sets back up so it wasn't a big deal. 90% of the time the engagements were short enough for the limited number of sentry drones to not matter. Doesn't mean we didn't have to worry about it though.

Apologies. When I get mad I become a bit incoherent and lose the point I'm trying to make. What I'm trying to say is...

- the Dominix and Armageddon can functionally do the same thing... except the 'Geddon is more flexible (able to use turrets and launchers), can use more weapons overall, is tankier, and has an energy neutralizer range bonus... meaning that it basically overshadows the Dominix in all respects in short range engagements.

- the Dominix will be having its hybrid damage bonus replaced for a drone optimal range and tracking bonus... which, honestly, will only really be useful for sentry drones at range... which I personally don't see as viable because it's simply easier and less expensive to use other sniper ships like the Apocalypse and not have to worry about leaving behind your damage dealing system.

tl;dr:
- at short range... drones good. But Armageddon better than Dominix in every way that counts.
- at long range... drones no good. But Dominix is getting bonuses that "encourage it" to use drones at range.

Dominix is getting the short end of the stick on two fronts.

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#22 - 2013-04-17 09:02:27 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
penifSMASH wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
3 sets is enough to last the duration of most small gang engagements, and Domi is about to get more, or do you plan to never dock?

Three sets of sentry drones are DEFINITELY not enough if you are sniping. The last time I pulled some sniper shenanigans I bounced between at least 5 or 6 different tactical points. That's 5 or 6 times I would have left sentry drones behind had I been flying a drone boat.
Face it... sniping with sentry drones is a gimmick due to the nature of sentry drones (again, they are immobile). Apocs (or your preferred Abaddons) can pull off sniper tactics better and more efficiently because they won't leave behind their own weapon system just by moving around!!
Slapping a bonus that only really applies to sentry drones is a wishful and misguided judgement on the part of CCP... and yes... I'm mad (which almost NEVER happens).

Btw... how do you expect to restock on drones when you are in the middle of hostile territory?

edit: citation on a drone bay buff for the Dominix. I'm not finding it anywhere.

sabre906 wrote:
If you fly Ishtar with low HAC skill in the middle of null for pve, that's a different matter than what we were talking about.

The Ishtar is the only ship I have ever seen to use sentries beyond "sit and tank." This is due to its incredible mobility (in a shield-nano fit of course) which allows it to easily collect sentries that it leaves behind without putting itself in unnecessary danger.


I don't know what you intend on using sentry-based ships for, but if you plan on using it like an old-school sniper HAC or a sniping Tornado/Naga, sentries are terrible because you ditch them every time you perch or warp out (which is often). But you know this and it is the reason why no one ever used Ishtars in HAC gangs back in 2008 or 2009.

However, our alliance experimented with sentry-based fleet comps with mixed results. Having flown both Gila and Navy Domi fleets extensively, there's only been two occasions where we ran out of drones. And one of those times we were able to scoop our old sets back up so it wasn't a big deal. 90% of the time the engagements were short enough for the limited number of sentry drones to not matter. Doesn't mean we didn't have to worry about it though.

Apologies. When I get mad I become a bit incoherent and lose the point I'm trying to make. What I'm trying to say is...

- the Dominix and Armageddon can functionally do the same thing... except the 'Geddon is more flexible (able to use turrets and launchers), can use more weapons overall, is tankier, and has an energy neutralizer range bonus... meaning that it basically overshadows the Dominix in all respects in short range engagements.

- the Dominix will be having its hybrid damage bonus replaced for a drone optimal range and tracking bonus... which, honestly, will only really be useful for sentry drones at range... which I personally don't see as viable because it's simply easier and less expensive to use other sniper ships like the Apocalypse and not have to worry about leaving behind your damage dealing system.

tl;dr:
- at short range... drones good. But Armageddon better than Dominix in every way that counts.
- at long range... drones no good. But Dominix is getting bonuses that "encourage it" to use drones at range.

Dominix is getting the short end of the stick on two fronts.


I sort of agree with the last post... but to be fair I dont like the whole homogenization of ammar and gallente drone boats anyway so perhaps I am prejudiced. Also one should remember that new Geddon is still an eft battleship and actual usage may vary opinion.

Having said that new geddon overall seems much better than domi for all pvp realistic uses which is arguably... sad.
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