Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Im pretty sure the Nomen is getting nerfed lets see


10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage || ROF is more dps than damage so best case no change in dps from his change

10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret optimal range || Guns use 50% more cap but shoot 37.5% slower, more cap is used
Slot layout: 5(-1) H, 3 M, 7 L, 4(-1) turrets || Big hit to dps here -20% dps from the lost gun
Fittings: 965 PWG, 335 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1800(-416) / 2550(-463) / 2250(-428) Hp nerf acrossed the board
Shield Recharge Time: 1250s(-500s) Doesnt matter
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1650(+25) / 520s(+55.9s) / 3.17(-0.3) It loses even more cap from this
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 265(+73) / 0.43(-0.11) / 10850000(-800,000) / 6.47s(-2.25) Slightly faster
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(+25) / 50(+25) More drones with a turret range bonused ship, ok
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 57.5km(+12.5) / 320(+27) / 7(-1) Locks farther and faster
Sensor strength: 17(+1) Radar
Signature radius: 100(-12)
Cargo capacity: 400(+150)

Worse dps worse tank worse cap you turned this ship thats pretty decent into a failed zealot copy congrats

Ya your not gonna use that many locks but medium drones with a range bonus hull seems odd to me. even if they make up for most of the dps loss, they are a large chunk of its damage now

Ok Fozzie, please show us on the doll where the Omen touched you.

Because the characteristic of T1 hulls is a focus so de-/refined that one will never have to question what to expect .. or was that T2.

They have succeeded in applying the T2 design paradigm to Amarr's navy hulls .. and Amarr only. You'll be able to bring a perfect counter just be hearing the ship type, no more silliness of checking pilots fitting preferences on boards or keeping tabs on corp preferences. Amarr get a brick (yay! ) and a kiting ship with a target pool so small that it makes PeeWee feel like Schwarzenegger.
The people claiming that there is a distinct Gallente/Minmatar bias in the current Dev fold are wrong, but it is quite clear that the current Devs have a far better understanding of what makes those two and the game as it relates to them tick.

Possible solutions, on/some/all:
- Give us the medium sized Gatling to actually make laser cruiser brawling viable .. without mids for fight control it is currently impossible without making absurd (comparatively) sacrifices. While you are at it, work on the large version as well to have a low cap option for the new unbonused BS.
- Add at least 10m3 bandwidth and 10+ bay size to NAug as well as improve cap to be able to run neut(s) for a bit.
- Split NOmen range bonus into range/tracking (5%/5%) .. you don't need 30+km range as no point in the galaxy reaches that far whereas more tracking helps both kiting and brawling. Probably can't/won't be done due to 2x bonus but whatever.
- Move NOmen utility to midslot .. kiting and brawling both catered to. No cap for neut and nos are ineffectual on all but tweaked frigate hulls and Amarr recons.
- Move half of NOmen drone damage or more! over to gun damage .. all the range in the world won't help you if you can't even collapse a frigs shields before it lands a scram and for a navy laser cruiser to do same gun damage as a Coercer (w/o HS!) is just naff.
- Reduce NOmen speed (to around 2k/s) if needed to make it balanced/work. An Amarr hull, particularly a Navy hull, should not be able to compete directly with a Winmatar ditto and 2k/s is enough to counter cruisers (tracking prevents countering frigs so irrelevant).
- Remake all the other navy hulls to have the same madly focused design (I DARE YOU!)

In short: Having two hulls is fine. Having only two possible paradigms/fits/tactics is not .. the other six navy ships have options out the wazoo as does all T1 hulls for Goddess sake.

The only upside is that kiting, cowardly/boring/risk-averse as it is, has a huge following so NOmens will sell like hot-cakes laced with [insert addictive substance here] and there will always be a market for sturdy bait ships.

You just summarized whole point of tiercide. Giving roles to ships.

All your propositions are to push NOmen towards brawling. But especially this one made me speechless.



Oh but it does. We are playing OGB online. they are everywhere. Furthermore why do you think that you should be the one doing the pointing. Look at it this way: You'll be dealing your damage without even getting pointed.



I think thats what they are trying so far....though they were not that succesful to reach that goal.

There was once the "insta lock"&pop frigates murderer named "Arty Cane", after several changes it's still an awesome arty platform but less "op" and this is good.

Now if I read correctly those numbers, the SFI with 220's IS the highest ROF/Tracking ship (cruiser) in the game with those guns already known for having huge dps tracking and a good dmg projection range.

I'm not against it, it's just "weird" this ship gets these bonus with probably the intention for making it an arty platform but in the end, the benefit for fitting it with autos is higher than will ever be with Arty.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Found another typo between my design document and the post, the Augoror Navy Issue has 2800 hull, not 2550.

Just keep the NOmen as it is, or add further ships with different abilities...
PLEASE

Tell me. If it's one of the best ships as you say. How is it that making it on par with the others are killing it, and not rebalancing it? Per your own definition, it's OP and needs to be nerfed.

0,07s more align time is terrible now ?