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@ Hilmar and Zulu. Care to elaborate?

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#141 - 2011-11-01 02:59:28 UTC
ConranAntoni wrote:
Point in case, hes not an idiot and has survived, while others have whined non stop. Hes aware he will die at some point. He simply prepares his ship in advance. Your case has no backbone to it. Increasing CONCORDs abilitys to save people from idiocy breaks the sandbox. People should die in highsec if someone wants to shoot at them and they've not bothered protecting themselves.


I consider it a form of natural selection. It's not like they *have* to die after all. They could simply not bother mining blue ice and mine other ice while Goonswarm has their lulz. Can't really blame them for their actions, at times eve is **** boring, so you need to spice it up. Miners for the meat grinder, well, thats comedy for everyone. **** most indies and miners I know **** themselves at the rage they've witnessed.



As the old adage goes, don't fly it if you can't afford to lose it. And if you intend to, make sure you tank it properly or be ready to become the laughing stock of anyone with a basic grasp of ship fittings.

The laughing stock is the person who waxes on about how "easy" it is to NOT be ganked and then telling everyone they will be eventually. Kinda copping out on yer convictions dontcha think?

Psstt... Today it's only the ice interdiction. Base on current rumours it's about to get a whole lot more interesting Blink

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Ficus Plant
The Plant Initiative
#142 - 2011-11-01 03:03:04 UTC
Concord does not need fixed .... insurance needs fixed.

Go after the real problem, it is just too cheap to high sec gank. Fix that and you will get people only going after the high value, poorly tanked targets. This is the way it should be.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#143 - 2011-11-01 03:07:15 UTC
Ficus Plant wrote:
Concord does not need fixed .... insurance needs fixed.

Go after the real problem, it is just too cheap to high sec gank. Fix that and you will get people only going after the high value, poorly tanked targets. This is the way it should be.

Posts like this make me happy. When CCP does cave in and remove insurance for ships killed by concord you guys will cry so much harder when you see it did nothing to stop suicide ganking.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

ConranAntoni
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#144 - 2011-11-01 03:12:26 UTC
Lack of actual counter argument in that last post there kind of makes the point valid.

Cropping my own argument? In what way? Saying that some people are smart enough to avoid being ganked but accept that the chance is innevitable? Logic is clearly not your friend.

As a sidenote, I hope theres some kind of master scheme from Goonswarm. Razing empire to the ground, well hell, that would be rather fun. It would be something akin to the Sansha incursion but with far more entertainment.

Although I think your rather missing the actual reasoning behind Goons assault on the ice fields. It's for amusement. Yes, its at other peoples expense, but hey, its a sandbox and thats what happens. Every time someone nails a kill and looks at the killboard and faps over their efficiency, its at someone elses expense. When someone undercuts someone on the market and makes a ton of isk, its for both amusement and gain. EvE is not a happy, friendly place. It's a sandbox. One in which some will help and some will tear your head from your shoulders and take a huge steaming crap in it (metaphoricly speaking of course).


Anyway, back to the original point I was making, the stupid die and cannot deal with it. The intelligent survive and thrive in it.

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#145 - 2011-11-01 03:26:37 UTC
ConranAntoni wrote:
Anyway, back to the original point I was making, the stupid die and cannot deal with it. The intelligent survive and thrive in it.

Bounty just went to 150m on his mate - see above Twisted

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ConranAntoni
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#146 - 2011-11-01 03:29:39 UTC
Nice deviation. Good luck in future discussions.

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#147 - 2011-11-01 03:36:16 UTC
ConranAntoni wrote:
Nice deviation. Good luck in future discussions.

I'm proving your point wrong. When talking doesn't work, action usually does.

All you've done is reiterate what has already been said a thousand times by a thousand others.

I've already paid out on 4 kills on like minded indiividuals. *I* am prepared to sacrifice YOU to prove a point. If you wanna keep telling all the miners out there that ganking is avoidable and "they're stupid" if they get ganked then you better damn well prove it.

PS: Get this, ganking is sooooooo easy *I* don't even have to do it myself. WHEN will you "please come kill me" people realise this?!

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#148 - 2011-11-01 03:37:40 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ficus Plant wrote:
Concord does not need fixed .... insurance needs fixed.

Go after the real problem, it is just too cheap to high sec gank. Fix that and you will get people only going after the high value, poorly tanked targets. This is the way it should be.

Posts like this make me happy. When CCP does cave in and remove insurance for ships killed by concord you guys will cry so much harder when you see it did nothing to stop suicide ganking.

QFT.

(dammit)

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Ranka Mei
TANoshii Incorporated
#149 - 2011-11-01 03:38:08 UTC
The Apostle wrote:

Bounty just went to 150m on his mate - see above Twisted


Don't give him money!! :P

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ConranAntoni
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#150 - 2011-11-01 03:42:35 UTC
I think our CEO will probally call dibs on the bounty, but we do appreciatte the donation.

And I don't see how your arguing against my point, you are reading what I wrote aren't you? Intelligent people avoid getting ganked but accept it will happen at some point? You are actually paying attention aren't you? As so far, you don't seem to of offered any words or "content" to prove otherwise. Keep at it though slugger!

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#151 - 2011-11-01 03:58:05 UTC
ConranAntoni wrote:
I think our CEO will probally call dibs on the bounty, but we do appreciatte the donation.

And I don't see how your arguing against my point, you are reading what I wrote aren't you? Intelligent people avoid getting ganked but accept it will happen at some point? You are actually paying attention aren't you? As so far, you don't seem to of offered any words or "content" to prove otherwise. Keep at it though slugger!

And if you'd do me the courtesy to understand my motives you may find the reason for my actions. This issue is bigger than the individual.

I am after only one objective. The removal of the neccessity for the miner to have to take it up the ass purely to provide giggles for lazy, cowardly Eve players.

- THEY have options, hundreds of them that they chose NOT to employ.
- The miner has only a few options which he MUST employ simply to play.
- HIS loss is far greater than that of the ganker

THIS needs to change. In whatever way works. Obfuscating this objective is simply making it harder to achieve a consenus among miners.

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Cypermethren
Perkone
Caldari State
#152 - 2011-11-01 04:22:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Cypermethren
Sara XIII wrote:
To Cyper: I would suggest that maybe the "just left alone" types are playing the wrong game. I don't say that out of arrogance. I've never been to nullsec. Well, I did get crushed by some drones in a -1.0 WH. Lol It's just that I have absolutely no reason besides ego to go there. I have all the resources and activities I need in High sec.

EVE is two different games with two different communities.

One game is played in the safety of personal sandboxes the other is played in just one.

p.s. I hope to enter nullsec full time by December........if anyone is recruiting an active. Idea



You'd be surprised at how many of them there are, or ones that purely want to keep to a small group of friends, and do PvE only.

Face it, there's not many good spaceship games out there. They have little choice, and eve caters to their likes etc, but has the horrible drawbacks of asshats that have fun by ruining others fun.


I dont know, my reasons for hating highsec is because there are so many people there, i picture it as a colony of ants, everyone runnign around doing the same thing. No one person realy makes any big impact.

Out in 0.0 it's the oposite. One person can be the sole provider for 3-4 alliances worth of gear, purely because they're into trading and bring out much needed goods for the market.

One person can decide to take a stand, jump out a solo dread and incap a small pos, effectively packing a big punch to the face of a big alliance.

It just feels, to me anyway, that peoples actions and consiquences out there are alot more obvious, and make alot more of an impact.


See, everyone plays this game for their own reasons, they have their own play style, but that can generaly be put into groups.

But never, ever, ever is another persons play style hinderd in such a way as suicide gankers in highsec, because the gankers have no consiquences for their actions, they get everything refunded by insurance.

Other than that - there seem to be a large ammount of people whom have low morales after getting their butts kicked in fights elsewhere, so they go suicide ganking helpless people so they can feel better by themselves.

Hell, even if they just make 1.0 systems a safehaven for newbies, it would be good, and again it would not hinder anyone bar the gankers whom would cry like a newborn baby. Tho it would encourage more people to come back, or stay in the game, as they'll have the option to "opt out" of the PVP by staying away from it.



And im sorry but i honest to god dont think bounties will ever work. Oh how easy it is to create an alt, meet up somewhere quiet and let said alt kill pod in rookie ship, then xfer the bounty back to the player who's head it was origionaly on in the first place. Or - they invite friends to help themselves to the bounty if they nkow CCP is watching.
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#153 - 2011-11-01 09:28:25 UTC
Why are people crying about the precious sandbox being ruined if CCP buffs Concord? In real life if acts of terrorism were being committed against industrialists security would be heightened. Just consider it Eve's version of the Patriot Act. ORE would also create better ships with a stronger tank. They would of course cost a great deal more.

Of course it should still be possible to suicide gank but making it more of a challenge only makes it more interesting for those involved.

Really the best thing that CCP could do to decrease the amount of ganking would be to make null sec game play more interesting so the Goons would have better things to do than kill miners all day.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#154 - 2011-11-01 09:34:23 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
ConranAntoni wrote:
I think our CEO will probally call dibs on the bounty, but we do appreciatte the donation.

And I don't see how your arguing against my point, you are reading what I wrote aren't you? Intelligent people avoid getting ganked but accept it will happen at some point? You are actually paying attention aren't you? As so far, you don't seem to of offered any words or "content" to prove otherwise. Keep at it though slugger!

And if you'd do me the courtesy to understand my motives you may find the reason for my actions. This issue is bigger than the individual.

I am after only one objective. The removal of the neccessity for the miner to have to take it up the ass purely to provide giggles for lazy, cowardly Eve players.

- THEY have options, hundreds of them that they chose NOT to employ.
- The miner has only a few options which he MUST employ simply to play.
- HIS loss is far greater than that of the ganker

THIS needs to change. In whatever way works. Obfuscating this objective is simply making it harder to achieve a consenus among miners.



My hulk is over 2 years old and forever in use. What am I doing that you find impossible?