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null sec should get more conflict (yes another one)
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Moth Eisig
#41 - 2013-04-16 19:37:36 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
I would love to form a massive corp and take the sov from goons or test... (Or the more likely, die horribly trying). It would be a laugh and rather fun, for both parties involved.

Only problem I have is im so new that a) I dont have the skills to fly anything bigger than a cruiser just yet (so taking sov in a cruiser would just be plain hilarious when I get hotdropped by super caps) and b) no one who can fly super caps, to rival the goons, will take orders from a noob (even though they dont mobilise themselves to do it).

I can imagine the goons or test would be up for a good scrap, because they've probably (note I say probably) got bored of no one really challangeing them...


So where do you get your information about the state of 0.0 from?


I'm sorry, I dont follow What?

Well, as Malcanis is apt to do, he's nailed the central flaw in your argument, and in turn, the argument of most commentators.

Why do you, a person who has not left highsec in a cruiser, have any opinion on the "state of nullsec" ?


Same reason Nullies keep trying to "fix" high sec.
Akiyo Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-04-16 20:06:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Akiyo Mayaki
I agree with OP. Clearly him and his corp mate should be able to venture out into null in their retrievers and four hobo i's and claim some sov for themselves.

Also of course fix that stupid thing where other people can come kill them.

No
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2013-04-16 21:09:49 UTC
Andski wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Andski wrote:
i mean it's entirely possible to take sov from large powerblocs but nobody is left to do it because they don't want to do what every successful group in 0.0 has managed to do and joined up with the one large cohesive group


cleaned that up for you a little reflect reality


guess you're right, nobody has the competence to do it



You do have to admit not even the Goons have the ability or competence to do it anymore. Not that I'm complaining, but it's much easier to move once you have traction and momentum.

Take into consideration you have a large bloc of players who already prideful on being assholes (no offense) and have attracted a huge fan/playerbase... I'd think that if the Goons needed to reinvent themselves, they wouldn't be able to. Repeat, sure. Reinvent, notsomuch.

Any rate, kind of strange to ask that someone follow in your footsteps when you know you have the masses already.

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knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-04-16 22:22:47 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Andski wrote:
i'm too horrible to form a group large and cohesive enough to challenge somebody for their sov

why doesn't CCP hold my hand in the process

Although your point makes sense, you know well enough that the way things are currently there is no way to really challenge the sov of the power bocs.

It's why HBC didn't go after you, unless it's all about the tech after all...


There was no war because the grind would have been a long pointless expense and neither side needed the space as they own enough already. That doesn't mean that another bloc like the Russians could band together and try it on with the cfc, they killed the nc off which held the same space the cfc currently holds.

If you look at areas of the south right now there's a bunch of new alliances living there right now. Null does need work but it's not as static as some make out, just look at AAA.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-04-16 22:32:46 UTC
Moth Eisig wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
I would love to form a massive corp and take the sov from goons or test... (Or the more likely, die horribly trying). It would be a laugh and rather fun, for both parties involved.

Only problem I have is im so new that a) I dont have the skills to fly anything bigger than a cruiser just yet (so taking sov in a cruiser would just be plain hilarious when I get hotdropped by super caps) and b) no one who can fly super caps, to rival the goons, will take orders from a noob (even though they dont mobilise themselves to do it).

I can imagine the goons or test would be up for a good scrap, because they've probably (note I say probably) got bored of no one really challangeing them...


So where do you get your information about the state of 0.0 from?


I'm sorry, I dont follow What?

Well, as Malcanis is apt to do, he's nailed the central flaw in your argument, and in turn, the argument of most commentators.

Why do you, a person who has not left highsec in a cruiser, have any opinion on the "state of nullsec" ?


Same reason Nullies keep trying to "fix" high sec.


invalid argument, everyone has spent time in high sec, but not vice versa. Null sec guys regularly are in high, it's where most of the industry is done, where the majority of afk miners are to get ganked. See you soon ;)
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#46 - 2013-04-16 23:09:42 UTC
Moth Eisig wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
I would love to form a massive corp and take the sov from goons or test... (Or the more likely, die horribly trying). It would be a laugh and rather fun, for both parties involved.

Only problem I have is im so new that a) I dont have the skills to fly anything bigger than a cruiser just yet (so taking sov in a cruiser would just be plain hilarious when I get hotdropped by super caps) and b) no one who can fly super caps, to rival the goons, will take orders from a noob (even though they dont mobilise themselves to do it).

I can imagine the goons or test would be up for a good scrap, because they've probably (note I say probably) got bored of no one really challangeing them...


So where do you get your information about the state of 0.0 from?


I'm sorry, I dont follow What?

Well, as Malcanis is apt to do, he's nailed the central flaw in your argument, and in turn, the argument of most commentators.

Why do you, a person who has not left highsec in a cruiser, have any opinion on the "state of nullsec" ?


Same reason Nullies keep trying to "fix" high sec.


Well I keep 3 characters in hi-sec and spend maybe 30-75% of my time logged into them rather than my 2 "0.0 mains". Would you stand behind the implied assertion that the OP spends most of his time logged into his 0.0 alts?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#47 - 2013-04-16 23:12:37 UTC
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
I would love to form a massive corp and take the sov from goons or test... (Or the more likely, die horribly trying). It would be a laugh and rather fun, for both parties involved.

Only problem I have is im so new that a) I dont have the skills to fly anything bigger than a cruiser just yet (so taking sov in a cruiser would just be plain hilarious when I get hotdropped by super caps) and b) no one who can fly super caps, to rival the goons, will take orders from a noob (even though they dont mobilise themselves to do it).

I can imagine the goons or test would be up for a good scrap, because they've probably (note I say probably) got bored of no one really challangeing them...


So where do you get your information about the state of 0.0 from?


I'm sorry, I dont follow What?


You have asserted that null doesn't have enough conflict. The post I quoted seems to imply that you don't have much experience in null (the idea of a lone cruiser getting hotdropped by multiple supers is a giveaway here). Since the logical conclusion is that your information about null is second-hand at best, I wondered where you got it from.

So. Where did you get your information about the state of 0.0? Was it this forum? It's OK to say it was.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Stonecrusher Mortlock
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-04-16 23:25:26 UTC
Feudalism, is eve problem to many peasants, are willing to lick the boots of GOONs and the other nullPubLords.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#49 - 2013-04-17 00:08:29 UTC
Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote:
Feudalism, is eve problem to many peasants, are willing to lick the boots of GOONs and the other nullPubLords.



Apparently, cooperative effort = bootlicking.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#50 - 2013-04-17 00:23:45 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
I would love to form a massive corp and take the sov from goons or test... (Or the more likely, die horribly trying). It would be a laugh and rather fun, for both parties involved.

Only problem I have is im so new that a) I dont have the skills to fly anything bigger than a cruiser just yet (so taking sov in a cruiser would just be plain hilarious when I get hotdropped by super caps) and b) no one who can fly super caps, to rival the goons, will take orders from a noob (even though they dont mobilise themselves to do it).

I can imagine the goons or test would be up for a good scrap, because they've probably (note I say probably) got bored of no one really challangeing them...


So where do you get your information about the state of 0.0 from?


I'm sorry, I dont follow What?


You have asserted that null doesn't have enough conflict. The post I quoted seems to imply that you don't have much experience in null (the idea of a lone cruiser getting hotdropped by multiple supers is a giveaway here). Since the logical conclusion is that your information about null is second-hand at best, I wondered where you got it from.

So. Where did you get your information about the state of 0.0? Was it this forum? It's OK to say it was.


Oh god no, no you miss understood me. I didn't say null doesn't have enough conflict. I mearly stated that the goons are probably (and I did stress I said probably) got bored of no one really challanging them... I'm not saying people don't...but do they have a rival as big as them other than test?

I've been in low sec, lost a ship tonight too, had fun doing it haha probably fit all wrong mind. Been in null twice, made it into the first part and caught in a warp bubble both times haha...luckily escaped back to the gate both times...
The part about me saying a single cruiser gets hot dropped by a super cap fleet was meant as a joke...

Its true, the majority of what little I know about null sec is from in game chat in channels like NER and forum posts. I would love to learn a lot more about it, it is afterall my aim... Combat pilot in null, might train into logi too so if I do suck at pvp (which atm I am terrible) I can be of some use in fleets...

Unless of course you would be willing to take me under your tutoring Malcanis (hey no harm in asking, worse you can say is no and destoy me in game lol) worth a shot asking Big smile

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
dark heartt
#51 - 2013-04-17 00:39:12 UTC
brutalbutneutral wrote:
troles


What?

Those big alliances you spoke of worked hard to get that space. They can do what they like. If you want war, make a corp, build it up to an alliance, form a coalition, then go and smack them around. All CCP "needs" to do is fix the sov grind (and maybe bottom up income at the same time).

http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-04-17 00:55:06 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote:
Feudalism, is eve problem to many peasants, are willing to lick the boots of GOONs and the other nullPubLords.



Apparently, cooperative effort = bootlicking.


Thats why we have to nerf friends.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#53 - 2013-04-17 01:10:35 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote:
Feudalism, is eve problem to many peasants, are willing to lick the boots of GOONs and the other nullPubLords.



Apparently, cooperative effort = bootlicking.


Thats why we have to nerf friends.


I know. Make all interactions completely anonymous.

Remove corps, remove contacts, remove standings, remove the station guest list, and have each client assign each character in a chat channel a completely random ID number (so that no two clients display the same ID for the same character).

That should nerf friends enough.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-04-17 01:16:06 UTC
Lord Haur wrote:
It's OK, we know we're not competent enough to do that.


You're great at losing space, that's for sure!

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#55 - 2013-04-17 01:59:24 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote:
Feudalism, is eve problem to many peasants, are willing to lick the boots of GOONs and the other nullPubLords.



Apparently, cooperative effort = bootlicking.


Thats why we have to nerf friends.


I know. Make all interactions completely anonymous.

Remove corps, remove contacts, remove standings, remove the station guest list, and have each client assign each character in a chat channel a completely random ID number (so that no two clients display the same ID for the same character).

That should nerf friends enough.


But we will still call it a multiplayer game just so we don't feel too bad about playing a game with no interaction at all. We can't lower ourself THAT low...
pussnheels
Viziam
#56 - 2013-04-17 08:03:59 UTC
brutalbutneutral wrote:
Look at the north/west for instance. Only carebears live in those places. LAWN, SMA, TNT, FCON, TEST, GOONS, -FA-, .EXE. There only getting fat in there carebearing regions.

It is still beyond my understanding why you would want an all out jerk fest blueing each other. Where's the honour in that. Isn't it getting boring. Or is eve only about isk these days and not about fun. Cry

Please CCP , please let the summer expansion have a sov overhaul where even smaller corps can get sov so having sov is fun again. Make it something worth fighting for.

Now please let the troles out.


why don't you join a null sec alliance and see yourself
if people can carebear in their nullsec space it is so because the alliance made it possible that they can

If a alliance can not keep its space relative safe its members will leave and the alliance will fail

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Anunzi
Solace Corp
#57 - 2013-04-17 09:12:22 UTC

Khanh'rhh wrote:
OP lives in some alternate Eve-universe I've not seen. GSF alone is on 20,000 killmails a month, but you know, it's all about ratting for blue donuts or whatever the daily meme is.

Sov war sucks balls, and if your only definition of "non boring" is sov war, then you'll probably be "bored" a long time. Meanwhile, anyone actually involved and not just watching from the sidelines is having a pretty good time.


Come on bro, when has facts or reality ever bothered people on these forums? They just keep touting Riverini’s vitriolic bullcrap about null being all blue, despite the kill mails.

"It was the way she said it, Rimmer, to rhyme with scum"
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