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null sec should get more conflict (yes another one)
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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#21 - 2013-04-16 15:19:09 UTC
Andski wrote:
YuuKnow wrote:
1. Economic reasons: nope, the regions provide plenty for all, enough to fund hundreds of billions in super caps. No economic incentive/gain for war, just losses really


No they don't, most of 0.0 is worthless except for the north and parts of the southwest


CVA seems to think their space is worth something.

What, I'm unclear on, but something.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#22 - 2013-04-16 15:26:01 UTC
Current null sec is a direct product of Dominion; those mechanics were strongly wanted by the null sec alliances leaders and the joke CSM in charge.
Are mechanics intendeed to consolidate and lock the status quo and turn the area in a PVE farm and mere arena for consensual capital fights.

No players effort in this, only crooked game mechanics changes.

After the Dominion's fail CCP started to understand the msitake, stopped to listen to this people, null sec was progressively marginaized and CCP changed direction in EVE development. With success.

Since then this direction never changed, continued also in the last expansions and will continue in the next one.

I think CCP know the problem and has been already adressed at the PAX by them, as talking about the incoming resource redistribution they state as it's something intendeed to lead to "shifting allegiances amongst EVE's player alliances" and "EVE is not supposed to be about a place in equilibrium; it's about people fighting over things"
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-04-16 16:20:51 UTC
Andski wrote:
i mean it's entirely possible to take sov from large powerblocs but nobody is left to do it because they don't want to do what every successful group in 0.0 has managed to do and joined up with the one large cohesive group


cleaned that up for you a little reflect reality

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-04-16 16:28:53 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Andski wrote:
i mean it's entirely possible to take sov from large powerblocs but nobody is left to do it because they don't want to do what every successful group in 0.0 has managed to do and joined up with the one large cohesive group


cleaned that up for you a little reflect reality


guess you're right, nobody has the competence to do it

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Hannah Flex
#25 - 2013-04-16 16:38:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Hannah Flex
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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#26 - 2013-04-16 16:42:49 UTC
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
I would love to form a massive corp and take the sov from goons or test... (Or the more likely, die horribly trying). It would be a laugh and rather fun, for both parties involved.

Only problem I have is im so new that a) I dont have the skills to fly anything bigger than a cruiser just yet (so taking sov in a cruiser would just be plain hilarious when I get hotdropped by super caps) and b) no one who can fly super caps, to rival the goons, will take orders from a noob (even though they dont mobilise themselves to do it).

I can imagine the goons or test would be up for a good scrap, because they've probably (note I say probably) got bored of no one really challangeing them...


So where do you get your information about the state of 0.0 from?


I'm sorry, I dont follow What?

Well, as Malcanis is apt to do, he's nailed the central flaw in your argument, and in turn, the argument of most commentators.

Why do you, a person who has not left highsec in a cruiser, have any opinion on the "state of nullsec" ?

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-04-16 16:58:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Gaines
Andski wrote:
i mean it's entirely possible to take sov from large powerblocs but nobody wants to do it because they don't want to do what every successful group in 0.0 has managed to do and form a large cohesive group

because they lack the ability to organize and lead they just whine to CCP to make large groups less relevant, since you know, anyone can form a large group because it's so easy so why bother?

yet with the apparent ease of forming a large group they don't wish to do that and take sov from anyone because it's not easy to form a large group as it turns out

the excuse du jour is "they have too much tech income!!!!!!!" but there are historical cases of blocs with much less income challenging blocs with much more income and successfully taking their sovereignty

guess there's really no excuses left!



Your numbers came from one location, at least at first, which happens to have been a large and cohesive group from the onset.


apples and oranges, my friend.

I don't think it's a matter of income but a matter of size and power projection.

You link themattani... here is a good read.

http://themittani.com/features/sov-problems-little-guys-or-new-blood

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-04-16 17:04:23 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Andski wrote:
i mean it's entirely possible to take sov from large powerblocs but nobody wants to do it because they don't want to do what every successful group in 0.0 has managed to do and form a large cohesive group

because they lack the ability to organize and lead they just whine to CCP to make large groups less relevant, since you know, anyone can form a large group because it's so easy so why bother?

yet with the apparent ease of forming a large group they don't wish to do that and take sov from anyone because it's not easy to form a large group as it turns out

the excuse du jour is "they have too much tech income!!!!!!!" but there are historical cases of blocs with much less income challenging blocs with much more income and successfully taking their sovereignty

guess there's really no excuses left!



Your numbers came from one location, at least at first, which happens to have been a large and cohesive group from the onset.


apples and oranges, my friend.

I don't think it's a matter of income but a matter of size and power projection.


Any type of power you can give to a single player to make it easyer to own sov with elss people can also be used by larger entity but on a larger base. Any changes going that way will fail.

The only change that could technically work are change penalising people for forming too large groups and that should not even be considered. We are playing a MMO FFS...
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-04-16 17:28:58 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
brutalbutneutral wrote:
There only getting fat in there carebearing regions.
brutalbutneutral wrote:
Make it something worth fighting for.


ladies and gentlemen, i present to you a contradiction.



Not necessarily. Gluttony was never a conflict driver. Starvation, on the other hand.....

Rich countries have little motivation to go to war except when they see something they want in a poor country that resists.

Don't ban me, bro!
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#30 - 2013-04-16 17:35:17 UTC
CCP cannot force people to fight each other. Content on that scale is provided by the players.

Sure, they can take away the static tech/neo/plat moons, change sov, etc, but what will force them to fight instead of simply interdealing with each other/cooperating to gain back what has moved? If everyone is as friendly/blue/napfested as everyone claims, then it seems that any amount of change on CCPs part wont effect the 'Blue Blob' as much as some may think it will.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Dave stark
#31 - 2013-04-16 17:36:58 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Gluttony was never a conflict driver.


pretty sure that's complete bollocks.
Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
#32 - 2013-04-16 17:44:19 UTC
Andski wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Andski wrote:
i mean it's entirely possible to take sov from large powerblocs but nobody is left to do it because they don't want to do what every successful group in 0.0 has managed to do and joined up with the one large cohesive group


cleaned that up for you a little reflect reality


guess you're right, nobody has the competence to do it


What?
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-04-16 17:44:23 UTC
Andski wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Andski wrote:
i mean it's entirely possible to take sov from large powerblocs but nobody is left to do it because they don't want to do what every successful group in 0.0 has managed to do and joined up with the one large cohesive group


cleaned that up for you a little reflect reality


guess you're right, nobody has the competence to do it


If that's what you think. Hope you enjoy your self made boredom from recruiting everyone.

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Hessian Arcturus
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-04-16 17:51:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Hessian Arcturus
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Hessian Arcturus wrote:
I would love to form a massive corp and take the sov from goons or test... (Or the more likely, die horribly trying). It would be a laugh and rather fun, for both parties involved.

Only problem I have is im so new that a) I dont have the skills to fly anything bigger than a cruiser just yet (so taking sov in a cruiser would just be plain hilarious when I get hotdropped by super caps) and b) no one who can fly super caps, to rival the goons, will take orders from a noob (even though they dont mobilise themselves to do it).

I can imagine the goons or test would be up for a good scrap, because they've probably (note I say probably) got bored of no one really challangeing them...


So where do you get your information about the state of 0.0 from?


I'm sorry, I dont follow What?

Well, as Malcanis is apt to do, he's nailed the central flaw in your argument, and in turn, the argument of most commentators.

Why do you, a person who has not left highsec in a cruiser, have any opinion on the "state of nullsec" ?


Firstly, I have left hisec...

Secondly, I dont have an opinion on the 'state' of nullsec, I'm mearly pointing out that no one would follow a noob into nullsec to take on the big alliances, which I would love to do, as its something that interests me in this game, large scale pvp, taking soverignty from others etc etc...

You actually just proved my point that no one will give a new guy a chance... Just because I don't have a big alliance/haven't lived in nullsec, doesn't mean I dont have aims within this game. I would love to move to nullsec, I would love to get into large fleet pvp. I am however, only a month old in this game so I'm finding out what I'm good at first/how I can be of use in pvp...

So, in short to answer your question, I have an opinion about nullsec, but not about the state, as of yet. I am working towards that, I hope. So any pointers would be nice?

EDIT: The "So any pointer would be nice?" part is meant sincerely not sarcastically, just in case it was taken the wrong way. Big smile

It's human nature to want to explore. To find your line and go beyond it. The only limit, is the one you set yourself.
Aston Martin DB5
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2013-04-16 18:17:56 UTC
Markku Laaksonen wrote:
You had two opportunities to use 'they're', 'their', or 'there'. You chose 'there' both times and were wrong both times.



lulz
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#36 - 2013-04-16 18:21:19 UTC
Andski wrote:
sure there is

do it the exact same way we've taken swathes of space from our enemies in the past


Havent they made changes to where spies cant hand over the sov like BOB?
Lord Haur
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#37 - 2013-04-16 18:28:44 UTC
Random Majere wrote:
Andski wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Andski wrote:
i mean it's entirely possible to take sov from large powerblocs but nobody is left to do it because they don't want to do what every successful group in 0.0 has managed to do and joined up with the one large cohesive group


cleaned that up for you a little reflect reality


guess you're right, nobody has the competence to do it


What?

It's OK, we know we're not competent enough to do that.
ErrorRon
Turbo-Encabulator LLC
#38 - 2013-04-16 18:30:13 UTC
brutalbutneutral wrote:
Look at the north/west for instance. Only carebears live in those places. LAWN, SMA, TNT, FCON, TEST, GOONS, -FA-, .EXE. There only getting fat in there carebearing regions.

It is still beyond my understanding why you would want an all out jerk fest blueing each other. Where's the honour in that. Isn't it getting boring. Or is eve only about isk these days and not about fun. Cry

Please CCP , please let the summer expansion have a sov overhaul where even smaller corps can get sov so having sov is fun again. Make it something worth fighting for.

Now please let the troles out.


Hi there. I see you are part of The Scope corporation. Also part of the gallente federation. Pretty sure you hold more sov and have a lot more carebears. But CCP likes you more than us. So we can't take your sov. Cry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtItWL6GfSM CCP Gargant -  Dev of my heart.
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-04-16 18:45:01 UTC
What does the OP expect CCP to do? 5,000 friends is alwas going to crush 50.
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-04-16 19:30:39 UTC
Caldari Citizen 1897289768188 wrote:

Havent they made changes to where spies cant hand over the sov like BOB?


A spy didn't hand over BoB, it was a disgruntled director in the executor corp.


As a result most alliances have a special executor corp that has control of the alliance, and while everyone has a hand in it the big red button is usually only delegated by one person.

It could be that it comes down to a vote within that corp, but I don't know for sure.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
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