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Dave Stark
#201 - 2013-04-15 20:44:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
shame i'm too lazy to check, because i guarantee he'd have probably got more ehp out of bulkheads and shield rigs.
Of course. Both against blasters and omni damage.
The downside is that it also fits an MLU… oh wait.


he didn't have mlus anyway.

but it's a retriever, so i'd have personally fit MLUs and not been bothered in the slightest when such a cheap ship got consigned to the scrap heap.
Lenda Shinhwa
Bad Touches
#202 - 2013-04-15 21:15:22 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Lenda Shinhwa wrote:
Well isn't this just precious. I guess its all my fault. Picking on the OP and all:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17231438


But wait.. what is this from the chat logs just 2 days earlier.....

[ 2013.04.11 19:39:07 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa what are you gunan do about it i think your permits are a joke and i think your a joke too?
[ 2013.04.11 19:39:53 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa why dont you just shut up ur a worthless player with empty threats

So methinks OP doth protest to much.



am... am i really looking at an armour tanked retriever?


Bonus points for effort? I meant it's more tank than a full set of MLU...


"i know, let's take the lowest tanking stat, and use that as my method of tanking"
shame i'm too lazy to check, because i guarantee he'd have probably got more ehp out of bulkheads and shield rigs.


Mining in a retriver in Balle (0.5) is a death wish. No tank would save it. I don't know why people do it without having a permit from the New Order at least. Which is what I tried to explain to Gallamoth, but instead he challenged me to a duel. Permit tank = best tank.
Dave Stark
#203 - 2013-04-15 21:17:48 UTC
Lenda Shinhwa wrote:
Mining in a retriver in Balle (0.5) is a death wish. No tank would save it. I don't know why people do it without having a permit from the New Order at least. Which is what I tried to explain to Gallamoth, but instead he challenged me to a duel. Permit tank = best tank.


i found an even better tank was just mining afk totally regardless because gankers are actually that rare they can successfully be ignored.

my max yield setups have paid for themselves many times over, and if i didn't visit the forums i wouldn't even know miner ganking existed.

*shrug*
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#204 - 2013-04-16 03:59:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Capt Starfox
Gallamoth Sickle wrote:


I mean how is ok for someone to fly a ship worth a total of maybe 8-10 million take out somoene flying a ship worth 50m?
You're numbers are wrong, base price for a fitted tech-II Cat (bottom of the barrel gank boat) is 15m. A Retriever can withstand one of these in a gank... if fitted properly of course.

Gallamoth Sickle wrote:
I have read posts about people losing their orcas to ganks in high sec by several people all combined maybe flying ships that total 80-100 million (8-10 ships) or even less taking out a ship worth well over 1 bill full fitted?
Again, numbers are wrong. And the ppl who lose their Orcas are idiots and deserve it.

Gallamoth Sickle wrote:
So i mean what defense is there? when orcas are dropped by a few well organized pilots flying cheap ships? I guess you could tank up your mackinaw but it only means what.... the ganker gets 2 of his friends to take out your 200mil ship by risking 10 mill a pilot?
About the defense, you should read more instead of coming to the forums to cry. And by a "few" people you mean 4 Talos' right? A fitted tech-II Talos also being about 130m, right?

Gallamoth Sickle wrote:
I am all for ganks in high sec but the the cost to gank somoene is pennies on the dollar compared to what the ganked loses its just not fair at all. This game just seems to be going down the toilet rapidly in the latest years. New players dont stand a chance agianst the EVE lifers that run multiple accounts and throw 10's of millions away on catalyst losses just to destroy people.
You're not all for ganking, stop lying. For anyone who can't handle Eve, WoW ---------->

Gallamoth Sickle wrote:
Why does CCP seem to have buffed destroyers creating a situation that favors the ganker and leaves the ganked almost completely defensless? Even aligning to gate, mining in .7 and above, being at the computer, D-scanning constantly you still run a better chance of dieing than not if you find your self chosen by a ganker.
You must be new around here, this is nowhere near factual.
EDIT: Actually yes destroyers were "balanced." As far as the Cat PG was increased slightly and mass reduced slightly. The mass reduction doesn't do anything to ganking. As far as PG goes that was meant for railguns.. if your ganking with rails on a Cat, you're doing it wrong.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Frying Doom
#205 - 2013-04-16 04:12:19 UTC
Lenda Shinhwa wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Lenda Shinhwa wrote:
Well isn't this just precious. I guess its all my fault. Picking on the OP and all:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17231438


But wait.. what is this from the chat logs just 2 days earlier.....

[ 2013.04.11 19:39:07 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa what are you gunan do about it i think your permits are a joke and i think your a joke too?
[ 2013.04.11 19:39:53 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa why dont you just shut up ur a worthless player with empty threats

So methinks OP doth protest to much.



am... am i really looking at an armour tanked retriever?


Bonus points for effort? I meant it's more tank than a full set of MLU...


"i know, let's take the lowest tanking stat, and use that as my method of tanking"
shame i'm too lazy to check, because i guarantee he'd have probably got more ehp out of bulkheads and shield rigs.


Mining in a retriver in Balle (0.5) is a death wish. No tank would save it. I don't know why people do it without having a permit from the New Order at least. Which is what I tried to explain to Gallamoth, but instead he challenged me to a duel. Permit tank = best tank.

Screw the new order, when I have to worry about them ganking 127k ehp skiff, profitably then I would consider them a threat.

Also in response to another thread, how do they profitably gank a 270k ehp orca?

You are working on risk vs reward. You want a higher reward (Yield) then you are accepting a higher risk.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#206 - 2013-04-16 06:30:30 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:


Also in response to another thread, how do they profitably gank a 270k ehp orca?



Hulks in the hold.
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#207 - 2013-04-16 06:52:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Super spikinator
Frying Doom wrote:

Screw the new order, when I have to worry about them ganking 127k ehp skiff, profitably then I would consider them a threat.

Also in response to another thread, how do they profitably gank a 270k ehp orca?

You are working on risk vs reward. You want a higher reward (Yield) then you are accepting a higher risk.


If you look through New Order Logistics or other affiliated groups and look at their orca kills a good portion of the orcas are anti-tanked rather than being tanked. for some reason, despite the massive holds on an orca, people grab some expanded IIs to go in the lows. On a ship whose EHP is almost all in the structure.