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Lets face it: NOT VOTING IN CSM8 IS A VOTE FOR NULL SEC BLOCKS

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Akiyo Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#121 - 2013-04-14 18:25:43 UTC
As of title.. In which case not voting would be a good thing.

No
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#122 - 2013-04-14 18:51:19 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
RubyPorto wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
its a popularity contest



That is how democracy works. The guy/gal with the most popular ideas money/ISK wins.

FIXED Lol
Thats why in another thread I am just giving out bribes to vote
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#123 - 2013-04-14 18:57:45 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
its a popularity contest



That is how democracy works. The guy/gal with the most popular ideas money/ISK wins.

FIXED Lol
Thats why in another thread I am just giving out bribes to vote


Who does paying people to vote for literally anyone help win?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#124 - 2013-04-14 19:06:52 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

Who does paying people to vote for literally anyone help win?


The guy I'm backing Lol
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Sethose Olderon
Honourable Company of Gentlemen
#125 - 2013-04-14 21:21:25 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Sethose Olderon wrote:
I use to bother voting, but anymore the CSM is a joke. It's just another thing the "elites" retain for themselves, and forever deny to anyone else.

No different than politics / politicians in real life...


you say that like the ~elites~ are the only ones able to vote.

perhaps if you went and voted they wouldn't have the CSM all to themselves.
stop complaining about a "problem", when you're part of it.


It's very hard to compete with block voting, when the personality cults fuel their mindless drones with bread and circuses, and instruct them in who they should vote for.

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#126 - 2013-04-14 23:45:33 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Voter apathy is part & parcel to the game mainly due to mechanics

Voter apathy is because voting is for suckers.


More like not voting is for slackers

No, democracy is a bad joke on the intelligent.

A guy I know voted today. 10 accounts. He spent 30 seconds looking at the candidate names. He picked 3. He still knows nothing about any of them, any of their platforms, or any of the issues.

Viva la democracie!

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#127 - 2013-04-16 04:44:11 UTC
just vote dammit
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
dark heartt
#128 - 2013-04-16 04:56:39 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Voter apathy is part & parcel to the game mainly due to mechanics

Voter apathy is because voting is for suckers.


More like not voting is for slackers

No, democracy is a bad joke on the intelligent.

A guy I know voted today. 10 accounts. He spent 30 seconds looking at the candidate names. He picked 3. He still knows nothing about any of them, any of their platforms, or any of the issues.

Viva la democracie!


Then that guy is an idiot. He will probably whine at the littlest thing.

http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#129 - 2013-04-16 06:22:20 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
dark heartt wrote:
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Voter apathy is part & parcel to the game mainly due to mechanics

Voter apathy is because voting is for suckers.


More like not voting is for slackers

No, democracy is a bad joke on the intelligent.

A guy I know voted today. 10 accounts. He spent 30 seconds looking at the candidate names. He picked 3. He still knows nothing about any of them, any of their platforms, or any of the issues.

Viva la democracie!


Then that guy is an idiot. He will probably whine at the littlest thing.

at least he voted
better voting then not at all... he in my eyes has a right to complain the next 12 months about CSM8!
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#130 - 2013-04-16 06:29:55 UTC
I voted Mynnna 5x

solely Mynnna 5x

I love underdogs
Frying Doom
#131 - 2013-04-16 06:36:06 UTC
Rain6639 wrote:
I voted Mynnna 5x

solely Mynnna 5x

I love underdogs

Well you completely threw your votes in the bin

but the good news is you voted.

Thank you for having supported for the players voice.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#132 - 2013-04-16 06:37:41 UTC
Sethose Olderon wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Sethose Olderon wrote:
I use to bother voting, but anymore the CSM is a joke. It's just another thing the "elites" retain for themselves, and forever deny to anyone else.

No different than politics / politicians in real life...


you say that like the ~elites~ are the only ones able to vote.

perhaps if you went and voted they wouldn't have the CSM all to themselves.
stop complaining about a "problem", when you're part of it.


It's very hard to compete with block voting, when the personality cults fuel their mindless drones with bread and circuses, and instruct them in who they should vote for.

Welcome to reality, it is the same in all elections.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#133 - 2013-04-16 15:05:41 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Sethose Olderon wrote:
It's very hard to compete with block voting, when the personality cults fuel their mindless drones with bread and circuses, and instruct them in who they should vote for.


It's very easy to compete with block voting (called, in most democracies, "Political Parties"). Just have more voters than they have.

It's only hard to compete with them if you have fewer voters that disagree with their platform than they have voters who agree with their platform. Which is, uh, kind of the basic premise of Democracy...

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#134 - 2013-04-16 15:09:49 UTC
... waits for the wooden stake to be driven through the heart of voter apathy....

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#135 - 2013-04-19 06:34:37 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
... waits for the wooden stake to be driven through the heart of voter apathy....



or if wood stake was plunged into HI SEC represtentation?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Sethose Olderon
Honourable Company of Gentlemen
#136 - 2013-04-27 09:18:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Sethose Olderon
RubyPorto wrote:
Sethose Olderon wrote:
It's very hard to compete with block voting, when the personality cults fuel their mindless drones with bread and circuses, and instruct them in who they should vote for.


It's very easy to compete with block voting (called, in most democracies, "Political Parties"). Just have more voters than they have.

It's only hard to compete with them if you have fewer voters that disagree with their platform than they have voters who agree with their platform. Which is, uh, kind of the basic premise of Democracy...


Oh yes, because everyone loves real life politics, right? Parties are not the solution, people hate political parties, myself included.

The solution requires equal representation for the divisions (Yes, there are divisions...) in the Eve population. As of now, the CSM is not a fair system of representation. Why? Because the divisions within the Eve population are not represented equally. Each division deserves equal representation, regardless of how those divisions are drawn, whether divided by population, geography, security level, or political differentiation.

Until such a time, as the non-nullsec inhabitants receive fair representation, and do not have to compete with block voting personality cults, the incessant disparities will continue to exist. Not everyone within highsec is apathetic or a macro-miner, some of us simply refuse to live under the whims of a sociopath with maniacal fantasies.

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2013-04-27 09:24:49 UTC
Sethose Olderon wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Sethose Olderon wrote:
I use to bother voting, but anymore the CSM is a joke. It's just another thing the "elites" retain for themselves, and forever deny to anyone else.

No different than politics / politicians in real life...


you say that like the ~elites~ are the only ones able to vote.

perhaps if you went and voted they wouldn't have the CSM all to themselves.
stop complaining about a "problem", when you're part of it.


It's very hard to compete with block voting, when the personality cults fuel their mindless drones with bread and circuses, and instruct them in who they should vote for.

You've just described every single political/election campaign ad in existence.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#138 - 2013-04-27 09:28:47 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Felicity Love wrote:
... waits for the wooden stake to be driven through the heart of voter apathy....



or if wood stake was plunged into HI SEC represtentation?


Would you rather have a person who's main is in hisec but an obvious moron than an outright goon who appears to be a quite useful member to the group?

I'm a hisec carbear, but I had Goons on my tab.

Because I don't worry about how they play, I based my votes on how I read the people behind the icons, which is the ones that will talk for us.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Sethose Olderon
Honourable Company of Gentlemen
#139 - 2013-04-27 09:32:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Sethose Olderon
Lors Dornick wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Felicity Love wrote:
... waits for the wooden stake to be driven through the heart of voter apathy....



or if wood stake was plunged into HI SEC represtentation?


Would you rather have a person who's main is in hisec but an obvious moron than an outright goon who appears to be a quite useful member to the group?

I'm a hisec carbear, but I had Goons on my tab.

Because I don't worry about how they play, I based my votes on how I read the people behind the icons, which is the ones that will talk for us.


"Useful" is a matter of opinion... Lenin called the populace "useful idiots", ever consider that your precious goons might think the same of you and your vote?

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#140 - 2013-04-27 09:54:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lors Dornick
Sethose Olderon wrote:
Lors Dornick wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Felicity Love wrote:
... waits for the wooden stake to be driven through the heart of voter apathy....



or if wood stake was plunged into HI SEC represtentation?


Would you rather have a person who's main is in hisec but an obvious moron than an outright goon who appears to be a quite useful member to the group?

I'm a hisec carbear, but I had Goons on my tab.

Because I don't worry about how they play, I based my votes on how I read the people behind the icons, which is the ones that will talk for us.


"Useful" is a matter of opinion... Lenin called the populace "useful idiots", ever consider that your precious goons might think the same of you and your vote?

No, because you obviously link in-game behaviour to out of game experience.

The CSM doesn't have any power within CCP, if they are cute they're PR, and they are nasty they're PR, if they are idiots they're hidden and forgotten.

But if they actually have the cerebral capacity to help CCP they are useful.

CCP is more aware on who's paying their salaries than anyone outside the company, they don't need any elected body to tell them how we play the game.

They know exactly how we play the game, they know exactly who's paying their salaries.

The CSM is supposed to be a sounding board and a group that can help CCP making the game better.

Voting for a ****** mouth breather who might share my style of playing isn't going to help me getting a better game.

Adding a vote for someone who appears to be a good member of the CSM, regardless of in-game connections, seemed a better move.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.