EVE General Discussion

Too stupid? No.
I lost my Retriever as well when i was very young :). Made me go to higher sec for a while until i made it up. Yesterday, after 3-4 years I have been playing this game for, i have driven for the first time into a WH. Scanned a Grav site, realised i have nothing to actually do anything there, could not do any sites and have almost got blown up by a POS set up in there.
Next step? Get a better ship to go in there :). When i lose it? Make it up and do it again :) :) :).
Good luck and welcome to EVE >

Why, so I can buy more ships for you to blow up?

(That was a joke, not tears.)

Don't buy a plex. Bad advice. Learn to stand on your own merits. Also Google a lot. Others have made mistakes before. Learn them. Now my advice is very straightforward. Find something you enjoy. Find something you can do and not have it feel like a grind. If you find that you will have no money issues. My strength was that I kind of naturally fell into scanning and evasion as my main skills. So within 2 weeks of starting eve I ninja salvaged and speed tanked when mission runners shot at me. Then I started doing high sec exploration and even lowsec. I occasionally popped or got caught but I enjoyed it so much and made it work. anyways you need to find your natural strengths. Things you're good at from the get go, and play to those. Sounds to me like you suck **** at mining, and you blow nads at missions, but you can trade well. Maybe its time you focus on that. One scam doesn't break your record. You pulled off a lot of good trading. I didn't have 400 mil til around 5 months in.

OP, you have played longer than I have. I have taken it as a starting condition that I am definitely too stupid to play this game and that the EVErse is full of people much smarter, craftier, more dedicated, more experienced, more psychopathic (maybe) than I am or ever will be. I love this about the game.

Here is a list of Lincoln's failures for your consideration. Personally I feel you are off to an excellent start.


1831 - Lost his job
1832 - Defeated in run for Illinois State Legislature
1833 - Failed in business
1834 - Elected to Illinois State Legislature (success)
1835 - Sweetheart died
1836 - Had nervous breakdown
1838 - Defeated in run for Illinois House Speaker
1843 - Defeated in run for nomination for U.S. Congress
1846 - Elected to Congress (success)
1848 - Lost re-nomination
1849 - Rejected for land officer position
1854 - Defeated in run for U.S. Senate
1856 - Defeated in run for nomination for Vice President
1858 - Again defeated in run for U.S. Senate
1860 - Elected President (success)

Well its bad advice if you buy plex and blow it all up within a few days.

And I've known a few players who spend hundreds of dollars that way (it helps CCP i suppose) which IMO is a bad way to play the game.

But if its painful to log in because you can't afford any ships worth a damn, then it is an option to consider.

Or would you consider spending hours to acheive the same task.

Consider that if you arne't making at least minimum wage prices with your isk per hour and if you don't really enjoy doing it then maybe you should consider buying a plex. If you make more in a hour working a real job, then maybe buying a plex in game isn't so bad if you aren't making even close to the amount needed.

If you do enjoy the time spent, then by all means. Hell, I have a pretty crappy isk per hour ratio but I'm enjoying my time listening to Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven and doing redundant tasks in EVE. I have no need to buy a plex and if you don't need to then don't bother. But when I started out, it made a night and day difference to getting started.

Buying a retriever is an expensive ordeal for a month old player (or at least all their money is tied up in it). If you bought a plex its not such a big deal.

Think of it this way.... Is it going to take a month to acheive X task to buy Y ship? If it takes you a month, your spending the $14.95 anyways, so why not take a shortcut because you are going to spend the money anyways.

That said, if you are going to get ganked (which is probaly because you had a bad fit) you are wasting your time AND money.

What you need to learn first and foremost in this game is how not to die. Perhaps it will take a bit of trial and error, but once you figure out how not to die then the game becomes different.

(crap so busy typing that I almost forgot to turn on my shield booster and almost died but anyways)

That said, becoming averted to dying is also a down fall. It restricts you from dying in pvp sometimes.

I guess the best suggestion is learn how not to die stupdily. Learn how to die with gravitas.

That means go to low sec looking for a fight, but when you die be at a state in which you die knowing you died for a good fight.

If you are dying everytime you undock your miner in high sec, you are doing something wrong.

Either you are in a bad place, or you have a bad tank.

Either move or get a better fit.

Beyond that I do recommend if you are serious about playing EVE that sometimes a plex helps out to make things not so horrible when you have a loss.

But if you blow 500 million isk in two days you are doing something wrong.

I don't want to change anyone's play style except my own. Getting ganked was not what I expected (or wanted), but it happened to me because of the choices I made. Hopefully I'll know better next time.

1865 - Ganked in theater while AFK.

Should have been paying attention to the game...

A well-articulated post with a well-thought out message and not a thinly-veiled bitchfest or whiny complaining?

I think not, sir. As a fellow noob, I actually am pretty impressed by your progress thus far. You did make a massive mistake, but you learned from it. I'd also be wary of anything that looks too good to be true, as stated by multiple people, and find a good corporation that will help you in whatever you are interested in. There are a lot of good noob corps out there, that actively teach people the basics of the game and how to succeed in it. There are also a lot of bad ones, as well, that take advantage of your status and neglect to tell you about little details like wardecs, faction warfare, or just rip you off blind.

The most valuable commodity in this game is trust, not ISK. Don't trust anyone completely, and always look after your own interests as much as possible. If you can make 400 million out of nothing in less than a month, then you can do it again, and better, and with more wariness.

There's quite a few resources out there for you to get used to playing the game, some of which are third-party programs, some of which are wiki's, and market resources. Everything is at your fingertips to succeed, just have to find it. Good luck, and if you have questions, ask!

There are so many contradictions in EVE. I am trying to reconcile not trusting people with joining a corp. I don't know anyone in RL who plays EVE. Any corp I join will be total strangers, and I won't trust them, nor will I expect them to trust me. Now I guess this is another case of taking a limited risk in order to gain. I should probably stop thinking about it so much and jump in. I am a loner by nature, both in RL and in game, and that can be costly in both places.

There's a distinction to be made between trusting people at all and trusting them completely. Dipping your toes into a corp means doing a little bit of the former while staying the hell away from the latter.

In more practical terms, this means, by all means, join them and fly with them, but don't assume that they're your Just-add-water InstaFrends™. Don't store all your private stuff in their hangars, even though they suggest it will help their logistics people move the stuff around more easily. Still maintain your own solutions and back-up plans, should the corp opportunities fall through (and I don't even mean that they take your stuff — it could just be that you couldn't attend on move day and now have to transport yourself and your stuff in whatever way you can). Don't abandon your own means of making money and building and trading and [whatever] just because someone in the corp can supposedly do it for you. If they really are baiting you, give them nothing to bite on, and if it turns out that they're ok, they'll offer new opportunities to accumulate whatever you need later. Either way, you've lost little to nothing.

Even without the paranoia, it's almost always better to leave stuff behind for later and simply build up new stockpiles where you're going than to try to bring everything along. This is a common error with new players in particular: the thinking that “oh, but it's not much stuff, so I can easily move it”… and if they happen to have come across scammers, they lose everything. The better thought is “oh, but it's not much stuff, so there's no reason to drag along a bunch of crap that I can trivially gather later”.

In short: trust is valuable and takes time — as such, it's not something you want to go “all in” on, but it's also not something you should disavow completely.