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Miner Ganks

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Frying Doom
#181 - 2013-04-15 16:17:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Can a supporting Orca use warfare link for shield/armor instead of the cap usage and range for laser for example? That would technically help in a fleet right?

Yes they can, well at least 1, I have never tried more than one warfare link on an orca.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Weetabix Kedgeree
Royton Patronnus
#182 - 2013-04-15 16:24:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Weetabix Kedgeree
Just wanted to say that it is more then possible to tank a single ganger, my alt was afk mining yesterday when someone tried it, he had T2 drones out, in a .6 system, and i came back to a nice 900k bounty, full shsields and 72% hull left :)

Now im fully aware that i was lucky, and my poor retriver would have been dust against 2 gangers, but im happy i survived and even gained out of it :)
Haulie Berry
#183 - 2013-04-15 16:26:10 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
For those that don't follow the news, Exhumers are getting an EHP nerf. Sort of the exact opposite reason for them existing.



There is some fascinating information in that post about the way bonuses are applied that the OP, in particular, definitely, definitely needs to read. Lol
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#184 - 2013-04-15 16:27:09 UTC
Selene Nask wrote:
I'm now a miner that fits for maximum yield when in HS. Why? It's not because I don't know better. It's because getting ganked happens so rarely that even if it does the cost of getting a new barge is outweighed by the amount of ore I regularly bring in. Its a loss easily absorbed. I knowingly increase risk for yield and chosen to take the consequences of doing so. It's the balance between personal risk and reward that makes EVE interesting to me and the game gives a player oodles of choice in deciding where the balance point is for them.


I always get yelled at when I include "accept the risks and move on" on my list of valid ways to deal with ganking.

Why do you get a pass?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#185 - 2013-04-15 16:39:30 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
I always get yelled at when I include "accept the risks and move on" on my list of valid ways to deal with ganking.

Why do you get a pass?

Because you're a nasty ebil psychopath nullbear ganker who is only out to trick people with your venal lies, whereas he is a cuddly-wuddly and trusty highsec miner who is trying to protect his oppressed brethren. Duh! Blink
Hayz Hayward
Flying Twice Technologies
#186 - 2013-04-15 16:43:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Hayz Hayward
http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=61044



If you do this, you're gonna have a bad time.

As for miner ganking, yes, it can be easy, but only because pilots like you make it easy for us



Hayz


Edit: and also, if your at your computer, and 15 messages flow onto your screen saying 'reports of a criminal in system' consecutively, and you don't warp off, then you have no one else to blame.

WARNING: this post is filled with cerebral dissentry

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#187 - 2013-04-15 16:43:40 UTC
Tippia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
I always get yelled at when I include "accept the risks and move on" on my list of valid ways to deal with ganking.

Why do you get a pass?

Because you're a nasty ebil psychopath nullbear ganker who is only out to trick people with your venal lies, whereas he is a cuddly-wuddly and trusty highsec miner who is trying to protect his oppressed brethren. Duh! Blink


You forgot the membership in a NPC corp... NPC corp player are the most reliable ones.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#188 - 2013-04-15 17:21:31 UTC
DelBoy Trades wrote:
I couldn't care less about gankers ganking miners in hisec, doesn't bother me, but one must pose the question, if someone is so intent on killing people, why not just move to low/null?

inb4 James315 bullshit.

If all the gankers moved to lowsec and nullsec, highsec would be a very boring place to be.

Suicide ganking is one of the only methods of warfare that can be applied to NPC corp members like the OP and his ilk, players hiding behind a whopping great dec shield. NPC corps are for all intents and purposes immune to interference from players, people can't disband them, can't steal their corporate assets, can't wardec them, can't awox them etc.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Selene Nask
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#189 - 2013-04-15 17:43:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
I always get yelled at when I include "accept the risks and move on" on my list of valid ways to deal with ganking.

Why do you get a pass?

Because you're a nasty ebil psychopath nullbear ganker who is only out to trick people with your venal lies, whereas he is a cuddly-wuddly and trusty highsec miner who is trying to protect his oppressed brethren. Duh! Blink


She is....

I'm one of those weird and rare humans in EVE that has RL boobs.


I know, I know, pictures or it isn't true, there are no girls on the intrawebs, blah blah....heard everyone before. Cool
Haulie Berry
#190 - 2013-04-15 17:50:32 UTC
I am pretty sure that, in the entire history of Eve, never once has it been a bad thing that a ship blew up.

Explosions are always good.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#191 - 2013-04-15 18:13:58 UTC
Selene Nask wrote:
She is....

I'm one of those weird and rare humans in EVE that has RL boobs.
Having gone to fanfest on a number of occasions, I can tell you that, unfortunately, they're not nearly as rare as the Y-chromosome distribution of players might lend you to believe… Lol
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#192 - 2013-04-15 19:03:22 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Selene Nask wrote:
She is....

I'm one of those weird and rare humans in EVE that has RL boobs.
Having gone to fanfest on a number of occasions, I can tell you that, unfortunately, they're not nearly as rare as the Y-chromosome distribution of players might lend you to believe… Lol


You sure you didn't spot manboobs?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#193 - 2013-04-15 19:06:11 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
You sure you didn't spot manboobs?
Of course they were. That doesn't take away from their being RL boobs. Blink
The CandyGirl
Candy's Toy Shop
#194 - 2013-04-15 19:13:00 UTC  |  Edited by: The CandyGirl
Xen Solarus wrote:
Ganking is basicly EvE with Easy-mode on. Why actually go looking for actual PvP targets elsewhere in the game, when you've got yourself unlimited risk-free targets floating around highsec, that don't shoot back? Better still, most of their targets are unwilling and/or uninterested in PvP, and thus are completely unprepaired for sudden ganking. As long as these gankers make sure their target is worth more than the cost of the ships used, they win. Then again, some of them do it just for the hell of it, or to make their pathetic killboards increase.

Worst of all, they all rant their highsec-hating rhetoric to justify their position. They've already made lowsec into a wasteland, and taught new players and carebears alike that traveling there is a death-sentence, and so now they've moved to highsec. As far as their concerned, their gameplay is the only gameplay, and everyone should conform to their opinion.

Though i won't go as far as saying that ganking should be impossible in highsec, i definately think it should be made harder and/or less profitable. Cause lets face it, these L33T PvPers wouldn't know real PvP if it came up and smacked them in the face with a fish. And ultimately their selfish actions prevent players natural progression out of highsec to other areas


not everyone cares about "gud fights"

only non pirates and non gankers refer to suicide ganking and pirating as pvp... it is killing and taking yo stuff.

pirates and suicide gankers kill for 2 reasons and only 2 reasons

profit

and

tears

we could care less about anything else


also if you are to stupid to not know how to 100% safely travel in high sec in ANY ship (minus freighters) that is your own damn problem.

so qq more

Being a smartass is always better than being a dumbass!

Lenda Shinhwa
Bad Touches
#195 - 2013-04-15 19:34:32 UTC
Well isn't this just precious. I guess its all my fault. Picking on the OP and all:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17231438


But wait.. what is this from the chat logs just 2 days earlier.....

[ 2013.04.11 19:39:07 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa what are you gunan do about it i think your permits are a joke and i think your a joke too?
[ 2013.04.11 19:39:53 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa why dont you just shut up ur a worthless player with empty threats

So methinks OP doth protest to much.

Dave Stark
#196 - 2013-04-15 19:39:30 UTC
Lenda Shinhwa wrote:
Well isn't this just precious. I guess its all my fault. Picking on the OP and all:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17231438


But wait.. what is this from the chat logs just 2 days earlier.....

[ 2013.04.11 19:39:07 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa what are you gunan do about it i think your permits are a joke and i think your a joke too?
[ 2013.04.11 19:39:53 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa why dont you just shut up ur a worthless player with empty threats

So methinks OP doth protest to much.



am... am i really looking at an armour tanked retriever?
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#197 - 2013-04-15 20:02:26 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Lenda Shinhwa wrote:
Well isn't this just precious. I guess its all my fault. Picking on the OP and all:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17231438


But wait.. what is this from the chat logs just 2 days earlier.....

[ 2013.04.11 19:39:07 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa what are you gunan do about it i think your permits are a joke and i think your a joke too?
[ 2013.04.11 19:39:53 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa why dont you just shut up ur a worthless player with empty threats

So methinks OP doth protest to much.



am... am i really looking at an armour tanked retriever?


Bonus points for effort? I meant it's more tank than a full set of MLU...
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#198 - 2013-04-15 20:13:18 UTC
March rabbit wrote:

Why not gank in HS?
I dunno. Just few ideas:
- it's boring like mission running
- it's repetitive like mission running
- it doesn't give anything thrilling after 10 first ganks (unless you like to do repetitive tasks but then you better run missions for better reward)

Few things in life don't end up being boring and repetitive. However, not all miners are bots, where all mission rats are bots. Therefore the occasional non-bot can surprise you bringing nice twists into the equation. That makes it slightly less boring and repetitive than missions.

But the issue with your post is the "better rewards" part.

You see, it only works if you interpret rewards as ISK. Where a ganker would interpret rewards as Tears. And red crosses give no tears at all. Therefore your statement is false. A ganker is better off shooting barges than crosses if he is after rewards.

March rabbit wrote:

- it's doesn't make ganker any more experienced in PvP (because they mostly deal with defenseless targets and invulnerable CONCORD)
- ...

Learning fleet movement, coordination, aggression rules, picking the correct target from a crowd, optimal range, getting used to inevitably losing the ship, saving your pod.

A new player should clearly not do such things as it does not give them PvP experience and they should fatten their bankroll with missions instead.Roll

March rabbit wrote:

Why not go where the targets are?
- Because targets are everywhere? And the only difference between untanked miners and targets in low/WH/0.0 is: defence and effort? And skills needed?

If targets are everywhere and the ones near me are the easiest to find, why would I travel and hunt for something staring me in the face?

Furthermore, these targets give the best "rewards". And by rewards I mean Tears. Since the ones I find after extensive travel are more likely to give me a GF than tears.

March rabbit wrote:
Why not go where you can reliably make money shooting people if you're careful and they're not?
- Because Eve Online is a game and not first/second job? Spending time in Eve to make ISK is just pity. Game is for fun and not for grinding stuff.

I'm glad you do, in fact, get it.

Science and Trade Institute [STI] is an NPC entity and as such my views do not represent those of the entity or any of its members

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=276984&p=38

Dave Stark
#199 - 2013-04-15 20:13:29 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Lenda Shinhwa wrote:
Well isn't this just precious. I guess its all my fault. Picking on the OP and all:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=17231438


But wait.. what is this from the chat logs just 2 days earlier.....

[ 2013.04.11 19:39:07 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa what are you gunan do about it i think your permits are a joke and i think your a joke too?
[ 2013.04.11 19:39:53 ] Gallamoth Sickle > Lenda Shinhwa why dont you just shut up ur a worthless player with empty threats

So methinks OP doth protest to much.



am... am i really looking at an armour tanked retriever?


Bonus points for effort? I meant it's more tank than a full set of MLU...


"i know, let's take the lowest tanking stat, and use that as my method of tanking"
shame i'm too lazy to check, because i guarantee he'd have probably got more ehp out of bulkheads and shield rigs.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#200 - 2013-04-15 20:43:05 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
shame i'm too lazy to check, because i guarantee he'd have probably got more ehp out of bulkheads and shield rigs.
Of course. Both against blasters and omni damage.
The downside is that it also fits an MLU… oh wait.