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PVE - is the Tengu still top
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Nikita LaFem
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-04-15 04:50:02 UTC
... For grinding mission ISK fastest?
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-04-15 04:59:42 UTC
Nikita LaFem wrote:
... For grinding mission ISK fastest?

The tengu has been top for quite a few things but never for grinding mission isk fastest.
Battle BV Master
Bacon Never Dies
#3 - 2013-04-15 05:01:20 UTC
Its never been top, for anything.

But its good (not the same as top) at a lot of things. But really the DPS is a joke compared to most other ships. Dont mission in a Tengu.

It makes the baby jebus cry Sad
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-04-15 05:06:25 UTC
Battle BV Master wrote:
Its never been top, for anything.

But its good (not the same as top) at a lot of things. But really the DPS is a joke compared to most other ships. Dont mission in a Tengu.

It makes the baby jebus cry Sad

I don't know after changes to missile but it was definately the top sig-tanking missile spamming ship, which made it great at 0.0 missions.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-04-15 05:07:55 UTC
Ya know, it is a funny irony.

People ***** about the T3's needing massive nerfs. And the Tengu is up there due to its popularity.

But in reality it actually fits the T3 concept perfectly.

It is good but not the best mission runner
It is good but not the best Exploration platform
It is good but not the best nullsec anom runner
It is good but not the best WH PVE platform
It is good but not the best PVP platform

Jack of many trades, master of none.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#6 - 2013-04-15 05:12:33 UTC
The Tengu is far from being the best mission runner. It is, however, very versatile.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-04-15 05:13:11 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Ya know, it is a funny irony.

People ***** about the T3's needing massive nerfs. And the Tengu is up there due to its popularity.

But in reality it actually fits the T3 concept perfectly.

It is good but not the best mission runner
It is good but not the best Exploration platform
It is good but not the best nullsec anom runner
It is good but not the best WH PVE platform
It is good but not the best PVP platform

Jack of many trades, master of none.


I'd say the combination of low-sig, being near unscannable and the ability to project damage easily to 90km made it the top ship for doing 0.0 missions.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#8 - 2013-04-15 05:21:55 UTC
Sjugar wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Ya know, it is a funny irony.

People ***** about the T3's needing massive nerfs. And the Tengu is up there due to its popularity.

But in reality it actually fits the T3 concept perfectly.

It is good but not the best mission runner
It is good but not the best Exploration platform
It is good but not the best nullsec anom runner
It is good but not the best WH PVE platform
It is good but not the best PVP platform

Jack of many trades, master of none.


I'd say the combination of low-sig, being near unscannable and the ability to project damage easily to 90km made it the top ship for doing 0.0 missions.


This may have been true before the last round of nerfs... not necessarily true now.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-04-15 05:31:46 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Sjugar wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
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I'd say the combination of low-sig, being near unscannable and the ability to project damage easily to 90km made it the top ship for doing 0.0 missions.


This may have been true before the last round of nerfs... not necessarily true now.
Yeah, was referring to pre-nerf tengu. I haven't really flown it a lot after.
Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-04-15 08:32:02 UTC
HAM tengu melts rat battleships very fast, you just need to manage your location so that you don't find yourself too far from targets
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#11 - 2013-04-15 08:55:35 UTC
Battle BV Master wrote:
Its never been top, for anything.

But its good (not the same as top) at a lot of things. But really the DPS is a joke compared to most other ships. Dont mission in a Tengu.

It makes the baby jebus cry Sad


My HAM Tengu works pretty well. I dunno, maybe 1000 DPS at 28Km is a joke? Once you learn the mission patters, it's quite double to keep targets in range for nearly all the time, and Guristas, Serps, EoM, Mercs melt like butter under that kind of fire.

Knowing that the HML nerf was coming, I reskilled my Tengu alt into T2 HAMs, and after that T2 Cruise missiles, so he swaps to a CNR for the long range, EM-rat missions like Sansha Pirate Invasion and so on. It works extremely well.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Mra Rednu
Vanishing Point.
#12 - 2013-04-15 09:21:58 UTC
Sjugar wrote:
Battle BV Master wrote:
Its never been top, for anything.

But its good (not the same as top) at a lot of things. But really the DPS is a joke compared to most other ships. Dont mission in a Tengu.

It makes the baby jebus cry Sad

I don't know after changes to missile but it was definately the top sig-tanking missile spamming ship, which made it great at 0.0 missions.


The " sig-tanking missile spamming ship " is a fairly narrow category though to be top of.
Nikita LaFem
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-04-15 12:06:17 UTC
Ok. So suggestions on what ship other tan the Tengu?

CNR, Mach, marauder?
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#14 - 2013-04-15 12:45:52 UTC
What is better for wh than tengu? Except for dreads.
Baggo Hammers
#15 - 2013-04-15 16:13:12 UTC
Mach.

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-04-15 16:28:04 UTC
Oska Rus wrote:
What is better for wh than tengu? Except for dreads.

Nightmares.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-04-15 16:29:26 UTC
Baggo Hammers wrote:
Mach.

wrong. try again.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
#18 - 2013-04-15 16:45:22 UTC
I'll still use my Tengu on a lot of PVE activities, just because it's pretty stress free. Yes, I skilled up a Mach when I heard the Tengu nerf was coming in, and the Mach is great damagewise, but I always feel like I am one mistake away from losing it.

With the Tengu I can aggro a full room while being scrammed, webbed, and jammed and I know I will be ok. The tank and ability to hit things I can't target makes it that good, and with the right rigs even elite frigs are toast.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-04-15 17:59:45 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Battle BV Master wrote:
Its never been top, for anything.

But its good (not the same as top) at a lot of things. But really the DPS is a joke compared to most other ships. Dont mission in a Tengu.

It makes the baby jebus cry Sad


My HAM Tengu works pretty well. I dunno, maybe 1000 DPS at 28Km is a joke? Once you learn the mission patters, it's quite double to keep targets in range for nearly all the time, and Guristas, Serps, EoM, Mercs melt like butter under that kind of fire.

Knowing that the HML nerf was coming, I reskilled my Tengu alt into T2 HAMs, and after that T2 Cruise missiles, so he swaps to a CNR for the long range, EM-rat missions like Sansha Pirate Invasion and so on. It works extremely well.


1k dps at 28km is indeed a joke for missions. Any dps at 28km is a joke for missions. A cheap Navy Geddon (costing ~15 mil more than a Rokh/Mael/Abaddon) with scorch and Curators get 1.3k dps at 65km. 65km is not a joke, 28km is. I'll leave it at that.Roll
Ginger Barbarella
#20 - 2013-04-15 18:15:10 UTC
Nikita LaFem wrote:
... For grinding mission ISK fastest?


It never was for fastest. But in consistency, it was. Not now, tho...

Howz that for vague? Lol

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
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