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Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
#21 - 2013-04-15 16:02:10 UTC
Expect them, all of my bounty is from random passerbys lol

I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#22 - 2013-04-15 16:18:29 UTC
I got a bounty of 500M for killing a Thrasher in lowsec, belonging to a corp with a hypersensitive CEO. Hilarious. The true beauty of the system is that the ISK will end up in another pvp-ers wallet. Great incentive for PVP, whether you want to lose your bounty or cash in on that of someone else.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#23 - 2013-04-15 16:19:59 UTC
Ygnizem Cenia wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
I have never been bountied for posting on the forums here.


Here you go then, as a proof of concept so to speak.

Reminds me of that guy who was silly enough to make "Why did I get a bounty?" thread in General Discussion... three pages later it was over fifty million.



Why thank you, I wondered if someone would pick up that glove, so to speak.

Now be aware that noone has wardecced me for my forum-posts either, so far....

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Ygnizem Cenia
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-04-15 18:04:17 UTC
That looks a lot like a bait, doesn't it?

(Not that I have money to wardec anyone on a three day old toon)
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-04-15 18:12:34 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Ygnizem Cenia wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
I have never been bountied for posting on the forums here.


Here you go then, as a proof of concept so to speak.

Reminds me of that guy who was silly enough to make "Why did I get a bounty?" thread in General Discussion... three pages later it was over fifty million.



Why thank you, I wondered if someone would pick up that glove, so to speak.

Now be aware that noone has wardecced me for my forum-posts either, so far....


That can be fixed if you want too

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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#26 - 2013-04-16 02:12:40 UTC
Ashley Thunderstorm wrote:
I'm a carebear. I hate pvp in all it's form...


You are playing the wrong game.

EVE = Everybody Versus Everybody. PvP is the heart and soul of this game. It is the reason why the game is designed as it is, why we are all of the same server, etc. If CCP gave a rat's ass about PVE then you wouldn't have been repeating the same 2 dozen or so missions for the last I-don't-know-how-many years. They would have come up with some new ones by now. Make no mistake - you are playing a PvP game.

Fractal Muse wrote:
Think of a bounty as a popularity rating.

The higher your bounty the more people like you.

Your bounty is kind of like your score. The higher it is, the more likely that you are winning EVE.


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dark heartt
#27 - 2013-04-16 04:54:07 UTC
Melissa Turner wrote:
Player A says : i dont like to pvp , dont care for pvp at all.. i prefer PVE and want to learn the game.. then perhaps dabble abit in pvp
Player eve responds : "its ganker time i feel a woody coming no viagra needed"
Player EVE says:.. best get used to pvp, eve-o was born a bastard kid from a pvp stripper!!!
Player A says :.. but i really like running missions and learning the game cause I enjoy PVE
Player eve says :. you need to prep for pvp cause this game is pvp
Player A says :.. if that were so what are these missions im running doing in the game in the 1st place?? since that is NOT PVP!
player eve says :....DOH!!! you ask too many questions .. now im placing a bounty on you cause you refuse to PVP with me and we need more people PVP'ing cause that's the way to learn this game!.. Bounty placed 1 billion email now sent.

Player A : i like PVE
Player eve : Eve is PVP
Player A : .. but ummm PVE has missions
Player eve : PVP is THE MISSION
Player A: then why did CCP create all these missions to do
Player eve:.. to leve up and play PVP with us.. duh!!!!
Player A:.. ok then can i be allowed to play just the missions and learn the game
Player eve: Sure! its your game and what you make it, I'll just gank you and interfere with your learning and enjoyment just to **** you off and force ninja kick you into PVP regardless.

CCP : . eve online dont ya love it we're rolling in the money...millions of dollas!!! millions of dollas!!!.. Bling bling baby! snoop lion will play at fan fest 2014 ahhh hell to the yeah!!!



You are an idiot. Eve is a PVP game. I'm a damn 'carebear' and I know this. The PVE in Eve is terrible anyway.

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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#28 - 2013-04-16 15:59:23 UTC
"Why would anyone need to bounty a high sec status player?"

1) To just annoy you because they know it will. Blink Some pilots hang around in the 'noob' systems and apply 100k bounties to all the new pilots in local channel. The more you react the more bounty will be applied to you. To some this could be considered griefing but in actual fact it is a legitimate method of gameplay along with corp theft, AWOXing, scamming, suicide ganking etc. etc. etc.
2) As another pilot stated bounties can be used as a tool to check that mercenaries you employ have completed the task/s you have set them.
3) This one hasn't been mentioned. Bounties can be used to inconvenience, and possibly remove your competitors. Say another corp or alliance is mining out 'your' belt/s, undercutting your haulage rates, undercutting your prices on the market, ninja salvaging or suicide ganking you etc. If you set a generous bounty on said individuals/corp/alliance they will be brought to the attention of any local space scum. The resulting twenty percent ship value bonus from destroying your high value ship eg a freighter/Hulk/Machariel can make a suicide gank financially viable or even give a hefty profit.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#29 - 2013-04-16 18:30:32 UTC

A few important things to add to this:

"Why can you bounty anyone?"
  • The bounty system was broken when only "low sec status" people could be bountied. This is because bad people don't always have bad security status. Corp thieves, scammers, AWOXers, any Nullsec Resident, and the like are all "ethically acceptable" targets of a bounty, but were immune because they generally have high sec status. Additionally, you need to understand what a low sec status actually means... it means a pilot that is willing to shoot first in lowsec and highsec, but that doesn't mean the target they are shooting at is some helpless carebear (far more often its another PvPer).

    • "Bounties on anyone are game immersion breaking"?
  • Why is that? A bounty is not a badge saying you are a bad guy, it's a bad that says someone wants you dead and they are willing to pay for it. Besides, in a game where the four "governments" are at war with each other, not to mention the countless number of folks that live "outside" the jurisdiction of these governments, how can Concord really determine if a person is good or bad? They are a beaurocratic organization with limited reach, of course they can be manipulated to place bounties on anyone, good or bad.

  • You can shed a bounty very easily. It just costs you some isk. bounties pay out 20% of your ships value, so if you have a 200k isk bounty, get in a 1m isk ship and go get it blown up by another player. You may find that a very entertaining thing to do (example: steal some mining materials from a can, then see how long you can fly around before someone catches you). Low bounties are essentially meaningless, but they provide a good excuse to do something new, and put a little excitement in your life. Big bounties (100m+) are a bit more "expensive" to shed, and can "help" encourage other players to attack you (even in highsec).

    • "I dont' want to PvP, I just want to PvE".
  • Most people consider PvP to mean ship-to-ship combat. And that's a big part of EvE PvP, but so is trading, mining, manufacturing, etc. These other aspects still involve competing with other EvE players, and anytime you participate in these activities you alter the Supply/Demand curves the fundamentally run the EvE economy. In short, every pilot in eve influences the economy, and thereby has an effect on economic PvP. The primary reason why wardecs and suicide ganks are important to EvE is to allow a group of ship-PvP'ers to compete with a group of Industrial-PvPers. The industrialists might corner the market on 425 autocannon II's, and by wardecs/suicide ganks the PvP'ers can disrupt the industrialists activities. Likewise, the industrialists can hire mercs to take on any group of PvP'ers to also influence the universe.

    • @ Melissa Turner
    [*] Missioners generate LP, they collect loot, they collect isk, and they buy ammo and other goods. The result, as a group they significantly alter the games economy. Providing tools and techniques for players to disrupt their actions is extremely important to balancing the other side of the economy!
    Holgrak Blacksmith
    Prophets of Motav
    #30 - 2013-04-16 20:47:44 UTC
    Small bounties like that mean absolutely nothing. Big bounties mean equally as little but at least you know you've really borked someone's day up.
    Ylariana
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #31 - 2013-04-17 10:39:57 UTC
    I wonder if they ever considered a way to remove your own bounty other than deliberately getting your own ship blown up.

    Someone who rarely PVPs, who gets a bounty for no sensible reason (ie just because some troll in Help thinks he's hilarious when he hands out bounties to people at random) really shouldnt be stuck with a irremovable logo branding them a wanted criminal.
    Yes there are elements of the game I dont want to take part in, so I actively avoid them, I move away from systems where things I dont want to do tend to happen. I can choose to not get involved. But not for this. Once someone pastes that Bounty Monkey onto my back i'm stuck with it ? Really ?

    Lets be serious here, the system is better than the previous, but its still a laughing-stock to the entire client base in this form.
    Robot Robot
    Plate of Beans Incorporated
    #32 - 2013-04-17 13:43:08 UTC
    EVE really is a lawless place. I mean, you've got CONCORD and the Empire Navies, but the list of crimes that gets their attention is incredibly short.

    The bounty that has been placed on you is not a law enforcement sanction, it's not like being on America's Most Wanted. The bounty money is put up by the person who doesn't like you. In other words, it's a hit, plain and simple. The guy who invaded your mission has taken out a public contract on your life.

    And New Eden is the kind of place where anyone can take out a hit on anyone else and the powers that be simply shrug and say "boys will be boys." When you look at it that way, it shouldn't ruin your immersion at all.
    Kahega Amielden
    Rifterlings
    #33 - 2013-04-17 14:28:55 UTC
    A bounty means "someone is willing to pay to see this character's stuff destroyed". In no way does the bounty suggest that the character in question is a "wanted criminal". It means, exclusively, that someone is willing to pay to see you destroyed. If you're a wanted criminal then your sec status is below -5 and everyone can shoot you freely anyway.
    Haulie Berry
    #34 - 2013-04-17 15:07:22 UTC
    Ylariana wrote:
    I wonder if they ever considered a way to remove your own bounty other than deliberately getting your own ship blown up.

    Someone who rarely PVPs, who gets a bounty for no sensible reason (ie just because some troll in Help thinks he's hilarious when he hands out bounties to people at random) really shouldnt be stuck with a irremovable logo branding them a wanted criminal.



    It doesn't brand you a wanted criminal, as the people placing the bounty are not involved in law enforcement - it simply indicates that someone out there was willing to put a little bit of money toward seeing your stuff go boom for one reason or another.
    Ygnizem Cenia
    Doomheim
    #35 - 2013-04-17 16:28:25 UTC
    Kahega Amielden wrote:
    A bounty means "someone is willing to pay to see this character's stuff destroyed". In no way does the bounty suggest that the character in question is a "wanted criminal".


    You mean except for the big, red WANTED on your portrait.
    Haulie Berry
    #36 - 2013-04-17 16:32:07 UTC
    Ygnizem Cenia wrote:
    Kahega Amielden wrote:
    A bounty means "someone is willing to pay to see this character's stuff destroyed". In no way does the bounty suggest that the character in question is a "wanted criminal".


    You mean except for the big, red WANTED on your portrait.



    ...indicating that someone WANTS you to explode - not that you are a criminal.

    It is non-specific as to why they want you dead.
    Kahega Amielden
    Rifterlings
    #37 - 2013-04-17 16:36:50 UTC
    Ygnizem Cenia wrote:
    Kahega Amielden wrote:
    A bounty means "someone is willing to pay to see this character's stuff destroyed". In no way does the bounty suggest that the character in question is a "wanted criminal".


    You mean except for the big, red WANTED on your portrait.


    Yes. Someone wants you to explode. Big, red text and the word "Wanted" at not copyrighted by law enforcement.
    Gizznitt Malikite
    Agony Unleashed
    Agony Empire
    #38 - 2013-04-17 16:54:29 UTC

    We already explained that there are many "high sec status" individuals that warrant a bounty...

    AWOXers, Scammers, Corp Thieves, etc....

    Concord (CCP) couldn't possibly sort out the "legitimate" bad people from the unfairly accused good people. And like I said, a small bounty is trivially easy to eliminate. What is your problem?
    J'Poll
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #39 - 2013-04-17 17:09:59 UTC
    Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

    We already explained that there are many "high sec status" individuals that warrant a bounty...

    AWOXers, Scammers, Corp Thieves, etc....

    Concord (CCP) couldn't possibly sort out the "legitimate" bad people from the unfairly accused good people. And like I said, a small bounty is trivially easy to eliminate. What is your problem?


    Time to log in and place some more bounties it seems.
    Some people just dont see it means nothing and have to learn the harder way.

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    Othran
    Route One
    #40 - 2013-04-17 17:16:33 UTC
    J'Poll wrote:
    Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

    We already explained that there are many "high sec status" individuals that warrant a bounty...

    AWOXers, Scammers, Corp Thieves, etc....

    Concord (CCP) couldn't possibly sort out the "legitimate" bad people from the unfairly accused good people. And like I said, a small bounty is trivially easy to eliminate. What is your problem?


    Time to log in and place some more bounties it seems.
    Some people just dont see it means nothing and have to learn the harder way.


    If you're going to bounty Gizznitt then that's priceless, it really is. If ever a bounty was totally pointless its that as it will make ZERO difference to him.

    Gave me a good laugh (which I needed) so thanks for that Lol
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