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[RENT] Rent space in nullsec

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Alekksander Geinesa
Divine Mortals
#41 - 2013-04-11 20:47:32 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
So you can't prove any of your false accusations?
Why am I not surprised.



After digging through my cache guys, I was able to find where I had went to their renter terms page before

http://imgur.com/bE9YJpT


You ever get that feeling, you know the one when someone says something to you that you don't understand why until later?


Ammzi, told me I should have read the fine print.. I understand now... It gives me chills just thinking about it.


It seems that sense then they have taken it down.... Most likely after I started this whole hoop de doo... so they can make me look like a the bad guy...


Also guys 8 eve mails! Keep them coming your support fuels me to make sure that everyone knows that these guys are low lives!
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#42 - 2013-04-11 20:52:08 UTC
You linked a screenshot of the wiki page I linked in this op? Wow... this is hilarious.
Alekksander Geinesa
Divine Mortals
#43 - 2013-04-11 20:54:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Alekksander Geinesa
Ammzi wrote:
You linked a screenshot of the wiki page I linked in this op? Wow... this is hilarious.



Play dumb Ammzi that's kewl. Is that your only defense now?


He also admits that, that is the page he linked... I wonder if no one has informed him of the change... Comical guys..



These dudes are a joke DO NOT RENT FROM THEM!
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#44 - 2013-04-11 20:58:20 UTC
"Hey guys, I was in tribe's renter alliance before they actually rented - oh and this is how their renting page looked like on the wiki"

Demerlis
Blue-Fire
#45 - 2013-04-11 21:23:59 UTC
While Ammzi is not officially a Tribal Band diplo, he is still FC of my heart <3

That said, I find it surprising that so many people are contacting this guy instead of, you know, an actual diplo/rental slum lord of TRIBE.

Anyway.

Just posting here to officially say, yes we are renting.
Yes I am an Alliance Officer of TRIBE able to finalize rental agreements.
Read our Alliance description if you have any doubts.
Dood Toon
Liberate to te Me
#46 - 2013-04-11 21:32:59 UTC
Zaitoun Somalian wrote:
Dood Toon wrote:
Zaitoun Somalian wrote:


With that said, if you fall victim to Ammzi's schemes you deserve what you get and we don't want to rent to you anyway.


Big smileBig smile



With that said, this wasn't a scam folks. We do offer an incentive for folks to find renters. And the isk would've never gone through the referring player. Official channels only.


with that said, nuff said
Johann Landier
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#47 - 2013-04-11 21:45:25 UTC


So Alekksander Geinesa I am a facts sort of guy and I would like to give you a chance to clear up some things.

Your evidence presented so far is




You stated "I used to be in TRIBAL, this is an ALLIANCE wide scam.:

When were you in Tribal Band Alliance. As far as I can see you have been have been in NPC Corperations (Are you just hard to get along with) with the exception of one Player corp in the last year. None of those corps where members of Tribe.


You also provided that "CSI" Quality snazzy screen shot..

Well here is mine

http://tinypic.com/r/f4qv76/6

I took mine and generously didn't crop out the date. So we know when and where mine was taken. All I can surmise from yours is you uploaded it to IMGUR and cropped it today as the POPULAR Search items on both of ours are almost the same.

So since I know how much effort goes into cropping a screen shot why don't you go ahead and show us the full picture which will have the "Last edited" date at the bottom which some how mysteriously was removed from yours.

And then you of course drop that I WAS SCAMMED bombshell. if so and based on your willingness to post repeatedly here you must have some kind of record.

Any of the below items from someone in Tribal Band Leadership Position (I mean if someone claiming to be from the GOONS TITAN GIVEAWAY offered me a free titan for a small one time upfront and completely refundable $50 million isk good faith payment....well I might do some checking up first)

Chat Logs.. Did you not convo anyone about it.. (I mean I looked in the cache for my eve account and OMG....everything I have ever typed in every chat channel is there...

But if you don't have any of that how about any emails to the person who supposedly scammed you?? Surley someone of your caliber would not send isk to another person without at least one email ???

And if those magically disappeared how about some logs from your wallet???

How about a screen shot of your assets in these stations that can no longer be accessed.

So to surmise I don't think you were in tribe, but maybe you have a secret alt you want to tell us about?

The Picture "Proof" you provided is a screen shot you just made today and uploaded today as shown by the matching popular search's but then since you obviously cropped that one why not just post the whole thing.. If your cause is just why are you posting altered/cropped pictures

Sounds like at most you got scammed by someone in the past who may or may not have been in the tribe.. But if you where scammed then you failed to do even the basic research to check anything out. But if you did then feel free to post the proof here........

Oh and just to add a line of thought to this.. Actually running this program is considerably more valuable to the Alliance then just talking a few isk and kicking everyone out. But hey those are just the fact's as I see them don't let that get in your way of thinking.
Crelic
Infinite Covenant
#48 - 2013-04-11 22:08:51 UTC
My name is Crelic. I'm very confused.

I do approve rental deals, and have already signed some good corps up.

+1, Convo me and/or Demerlis. Not Ammzi. I would say don't shoot the messenger, but you may shoot Ammzi all you like. Just don't send him isk, we may (read: will) laugh at you.

-C
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#49 - 2013-04-12 12:47:44 UTC
Yay crelic :D
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#50 - 2013-04-14 01:39:32 UTC
We're still in business here.
Demerlis
Blue-Fire
#51 - 2013-04-15 07:52:42 UTC
bump
holla at me boyyy
KlipticKaptin
Black T00th Sharks
#52 - 2013-04-15 15:13:33 UTC  |  Edited by: KlipticKaptin
My friendly .02 isk mindframe.


So do, I think that this other douche got scammed? Im sure maybe he did, I mean why else would he come bombarding in here and start a big threadnaught. Looking around, I don't see any posts from the forums where someone has "name and shamed" people that were not really scamming. Things do not line up, and I am sure there is more to the story then either party will let us of the public see.


However, even if you are not scamming, What hair brained moronic nitwit (ingame) gave your alliance leadership the idea that it was a good idea to allow Ammzi to post on the forums regarding this. His reputation is horrid, and he is known as a scammer and is black listed on many of the eve black listing sites. I mean the absolute distrust and vile feeling that a lot of eve players get from his name is comical at times. My TS was blowing up with people about this post, and we don't even know either parties but Ammzi... Anyone in eve that has been here for a little bit of time, at least knows someone who has been scammed by him or an alt of his. His word is worthless, and all he does is lie to you. He is a good scammer and rather crafty but that still does not change the fact that he is a well known scammer.

You say ohh I am just trying to earn some ISK as a referral program, but you lost your diplomatics and you simply did not think that someone out here would call you out for being a scamming bastage. Tribal leadership needs to keep Ammzi away from absolutetly anything public that has to do with their Alliance because he gives a shifty feeling to people of the forums.

He is known for forum stalking people when he is called out for scamming, and if you just do a search on his name and look back for several months you can see that there is always some kind of drama and word games around almost all of his posts. He uses the words of a gentleman but they are dripping in the venom of a cobra. He posts a few posts here and there trying to help people out or whatever so he is not always regarded as a bad guy.

However, the fact of the matter is that if Ammzi's name is on anything on these forums, most people will simply just not touch it. Sure you have signed up some good corps and I am sure everything is "all good". At least right now, sense you allegedly got called out.


I for one, would never touch tribal space with a 10 foot pole because of this. However, I am not saying they are scamming. I honestly believe that they are planning to, but only because of Ammzi's name being on this post. I feel like you guys just do not want to ruin the credit of any of your other pilots, so you just use one with bad rep already and figure thats is the best way to go, because most people "do not read the forums".


HOWEVER, if you are not scamming then you guys need to get Ammzi absoutetly away from anything regarding your business dealings to the public. If you really do want to rent space and grow and make ISK like the rest of us. Ammzi needs not be included. He will only give everyone a bad feeling about your business dealings.


On a further note, there are many other 0.0 alliances that rent far better space then Tribal can even touch, and they are known for being straight up and have been doing this many years. They have absolutely no known "shifty people" that represent, or even are named in their rental plannings, and I feel like your ISK would be safer with one of these parties.

Buyer beware!
Dood Toon
Liberate to te Me
#53 - 2013-04-15 15:40:04 UTC
KlipticKaptin wrote:
he is known as a scammer and is black listed on many of the eve black listing sites. !


those exist? just out of curiositiy, would you mind telling me wich those are? (no troll)
beastkiller69
Caldari Fighter
#54 - 2013-04-15 15:49:54 UTC
how do you expect to rent space that you cant even protect?Shocked

oh and btw for anyone interested in renting space don't got to tribal band everyone knows that.


The only reason tribal and nulli have space is because of the large amounts of isk they pay the hbc Big smile
KlipticKaptin
Black T00th Sharks
#55 - 2013-04-15 15:52:19 UTC
Dood Toon wrote:
KlipticKaptin wrote:
he is known as a scammer and is black listed on many of the eve black listing sites. !


those exist? just out of curiositiy, would you mind telling me wich those are? (no troll)



They mostly come in small community black lists that are ran by corps/alliances/and collations for whatever part of eve they like to specialize in. Google search for something like "Eve online (insert bad guy type here) Black lists" and you will see tons of stuff that has his name on it if you go digging a bit. Again he does a good job trying to bump it away from the public eye or burry it in a massive amount of threads because most people do not read all of the posts for a topic. Start with EveWho, and also do searches to find his alts. There are more websites, but I do not have them handy with me on my work PC.

A valid note is that he is banned from all incursion communities because he tried to steal the channels and scam people and blow up their ships. That is another easy google search to find.

He just has a bad rep, and people don't like him.


KlipticKaptin
Black T00th Sharks
#56 - 2013-04-15 15:56:56 UTC
beastkiller69 wrote:
how do you expect to rent space that you cant even protect?Shocked

oh and btw for anyone interested in renting space don't got to tribal band everyone knows that.


The only reason tribal and nulli have space is because of the large amounts of isk they pay the hbc Big smile



This is another reason why I would feel like this is a scam. Another well known fact right here. So if they can't protect their renters what do they do? I FEEL like they bring them, until things get chaotic and renters threaten to leave cause they aren't protected, and thats when they try to seize their assets. I mean if you are loosing their business anyway, why not?


I don't know. I have no proof and I would never do dealings with Tribal Band simply BECAUSE of Ammzi regardless of how "honest" their service might be.
beastkiller69
Caldari Fighter
#57 - 2013-04-15 16:00:33 UTC
tribal band is a renter its self maybe a large renter but further more a renter.

I love when renters try to rent the space they are paying us for lol when I get home ill get some screenies for you'llBig smile
KlipticKaptin
Black T00th Sharks
#58 - 2013-04-15 16:15:23 UTC
beastkiller69 wrote:
tribal band is a renter its self maybe a large renter but further more a renter.

I love when renters try to rent the space they are paying us for lol when I get home ill get some screenies for you'llBig smile



You know... in the real world if your land lord catches you "subletting" they make you pay extra ;)
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#59 - 2013-04-15 19:47:34 UTC
Well aren't you just a fan Kliptic, I am flattered - but I think you got the wrong impression of me. Smile
Demerlis
Blue-Fire
#60 - 2013-04-16 04:59:08 UTC
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