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Ashley Thunderstorm
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-04-15 01:38:27 UTC
I was doing a L3 yesterday. Someone came in and started stealing my stuff and i shot him. A T2 logi warped in, not that he really needed help to kill me, i'm what? 11 days now? So he kills me, ask for ransom, i refuse, pods me... I block him and then he bounties me for 123,456 isk.

The part where i die is my fault for shooting at him in the first place. But this bounty... People keep telling me it's no big deal and not to worry about it but it's completely killing my immersion here. I consider people with a bounty like perpetrators, not victims. It only makes sense.

So my question is this, it used to be you could only bounty criminals or low sec status players. Why would anyone need to bounty a high sec status player? Also is there such a thing as bounty greifing?
mkint
#2 - 2013-04-15 01:47:21 UTC
No, CCP is happy with bounties being pointless. Working as intended. It does not make you any more likely to die, and that's why it's safe to ignore. It's mostly annoying that CCP seems to think their bounty "feature" is a practical failure.

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Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-04-15 01:50:33 UTC
While it may hurt you immersion there really is no negative to having a bounty other then seeing the word bounty in the character info. Yes bounties used to be only on negative sec status players. One reason for the change is there used to be players who harassed others but because of their sec status players could not place bounties on them. The other is that there a quite a few station alts who have bounties on them so in a way it can be considered an Isk sink. But more first reason

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Doctor Ape MD
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-04-15 01:54:49 UTC
Ashley Thunderstorm wrote:
I was doing a L3 yesterday. Someone came in and started stealing my stuff and i shot him. A T2 logi warped in, not that he really needed help to kill me, i'm what? 11 days now? So he kills me, ask for ransom, i refuse, pods me... I block him and then he bounties me for 123,456 isk.

The part where i die is my fault for shooting at him in the first place. But this bounty... People keep telling me it's no big deal and not to worry about it but it's completely killing my immersion here. I consider people with a bounty like perpetrators, not victims. It only makes sense.

So my question is this, it used to be you could only bounty criminals or low sec status players. Why would anyone need to bounty a high sec status player? Also is there such a thing as bounty greifing?


The bounty really is no big deal. You are pretty much guaranted to get one sooner or later, so the sooner you get over it the better off you will feel. I have seen people in trade hubs just randomly handing out bounties to people who have none for no reason at all.

As for why somebody would do it for high sec people, there are a few reasons. Most likely he was just trying to annoy you and gave you a parting 'welcome to eve' present after being blocked.

And no, there is no such thing as bounty griefing that I have ever heard of. There are multiple characters with 10s of billions of bounties on them.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#5 - 2013-04-15 02:02:24 UTC
I have a bounty. Most of my alt characters have bounties too, typically 100,000 ISK, even the characters that never undock.

I find it annoying to have the "WANTED" banner on my portrait, but that's all there is to it.

*shrug*
Ashley Thunderstorm
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-04-15 02:03:06 UTC
From what i understand this "practical failure" serves no constructive purpose does it? I'm a carebear. I hate pvp in all it's form and i thought it only got as bad as getting ganked in high sector for carrying valuables. But this...

From what i understand bounties are something you can't avoid. But i just don't like them anyway.
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#7 - 2013-04-15 06:29:36 UTC
Ashley Thunderstorm wrote:
I was doing a L3 yesterday. Someone came in and started stealing my stuff and i shot him. A T2 logi warped in, not that he really needed help to kill me, i'm what? 11 days now? So he kills me, ask for ransom, i refuse, pods me... I block him and then he bounties me for 123,456 isk.

The part where i die is my fault for shooting at him in the first place. But this bounty... People keep telling me it's no big deal and not to worry about it but it's completely killing my immersion here. I consider people with a bounty like perpetrators, not victims. It only makes sense.

So my question is this, it used to be you could only bounty criminals or low sec status players. Why would anyone need to bounty a high sec status player? Also is there such a thing as bounty greifing?



You shot him, you are the perpetrator...

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Ygnizem Cenia
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-04-15 07:48:39 UTC
Ashley Thunderstorm wrote:
From what i understand this "practical failure" serves no constructive purpose does it?


As is the case with a lot of EVE mechanics. I don't know if CCP didn't realize how pointless the new bounty system will be, or if they did and wanted another ISK sink in the game(as 90% of bounties will never get claimed).
Melissa Turner
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-04-15 08:12:49 UTC
CCP is too afraid to lay down the law on mission running griefers and their bottomless pit called the bounty system. if Bobba Fett where here even he himself would say.."umm ok now ccp you must place some rules on this again"

Bounty placed for asking a question in HELP CHAT
Bounty placed for grief'ing mission runners
Bounty placed for posting in forums
Bounty placed for simply saying "hello" in local
Bounty placed on someone just cause they're new
Bounty this bounty that..
Steven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-04-15 08:32:30 UTC
Ashley Thunderstorm wrote:
From what i understand this "practical failure" serves no constructive purpose does it? I'm a carebear. I hate pvp in all it's form and i thought it only got as bad as getting ganked in high sector for carrying valuables. But this...

From what i understand bounties are something you can't avoid. But i just don't like them anyway.


Pfff. If you hate all forms of PvP, good luck in EVE as in its bare form its a PvP game.

Also a bounty means nothing unless it grows really big and you fly really really pimped out blingy ships.
Melissa Turner
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-04-15 08:51:54 UTC
Player A says : i dont like to pvp , dont care for pvp at all.. i prefer PVE and want to learn the game.. then perhaps dabble abit in pvp
Player eve responds : "its ganker time i feel a woody coming no viagra needed"
Player EVE says:.. best get used to pvp, eve-o was born a bastard kid from a pvp stripper!!!
Player A says :.. but i really like running missions and learning the game cause I enjoy PVE
Player eve says :. you need to prep for pvp cause this game is pvp
Player A says :.. if that were so what are these missions im running doing in the game in the 1st place?? since that is NOT PVP!
player eve says :....DOH!!! you ask too many questions .. now im placing a bounty on you cause you refuse to PVP with me and we need more people PVP'ing cause that's the way to learn this game!.. Bounty placed 1 billion email now sent.

Player A : i like PVE
Player eve : Eve is PVP
Player A : .. but ummm PVE has missions
Player eve : PVP is THE MISSION
Player A: then why did CCP create all these missions to do
Player eve:.. to leve up and play PVP with us.. duh!!!!
Player A:.. ok then can i be allowed to play just the missions and learn the game
Player eve: Sure! its your game and what you make it, I'll just gank you and interfere with your learning and enjoyment just to **** you off and force ninja kick you into PVP regardless.

CCP : . eve online dont ya love it we're rolling in the money...millions of dollas!!! millions of dollas!!!.. Bling bling baby! snoop lion will play at fan fest 2014 ahhh hell to the yeah!!!
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#12 - 2013-04-15 09:10:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
The practical application and effect of bounties isn't limited to behaviour CONCORD deems criminal, nor should it in the raw definition of 'bounty'. If you bounty someone you can input a reason. Say that I kill your ratting Cruiser in a lowsec belt, pop the pod AND stick a nice bounty on top for 'trespassing': it communicates intent. In a game as ambigious as EvE, you aren't wanted by the CONCORD police force... you are wanted by a rival that has no qualms about financially rewarding destruction of your assets, and communicating this publicly for whatever reason.
Snaggletooth Slackjaw
Banana Moon Industries
#13 - 2013-04-15 10:07:42 UTC
It can also be used as a rather limited intel tool, as you will receive notifications when some or all of the bounty is redeemed, and who by.

Having been wardecced, an alt of the wardeccer placed very small bounties on all members of our corp. I think this is for intelligence gathering purposes, rather than using 111,111 ISK as a means to persuade other players to shoot our ships.

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Chal0ner
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#14 - 2013-04-15 10:30:37 UTC
I used to have a bounty but I haven't got one anymore Cry
I find it offending that people consider me a harmless carebear - or something Shocked

Also, game wise it's not even a minor inconvenience tbh.
It would be something to explain when role playing Big smile
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#15 - 2013-04-15 10:55:42 UTC
Melissa Turner wrote:
CCP is too afraid to lay down the law on mission running griefers and their bottomless pit called the bounty system. if Bobba Fett where here even he himself would say.."umm ok now ccp you must place some rules on this again"

Bounty placed for asking a question in HELP CHAT
Bounty placed for grief'ing mission runners
Bounty placed for posting in forums
Bounty placed for simply saying "hello" in local
Bounty placed on someone just cause they're new
Bounty this bounty that..


I have never been bountied for posting on the forums here.

But then my posts are always of the highest quality...

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#16 - 2013-04-15 11:36:10 UTC
Ashley Thunderstorm wrote:
From what i understand this "practical failure" serves no constructive purpose does it? I'm a carebear. I hate pvp in all it's form and i thought it only got as bad as getting ganked in high sector for carrying valuables. But this...

From what i understand bounties are something you can't avoid. But i just don't like them anyway.


You're probably in the wrong game then -- that's OK, it happens to all of us. There is no "no-PVP" option here, your "PVP flag" is the yellow and orange "undock" button (although, the PVP on the markets is just as vicious, if not moreso, than in space). The devs designed the game in such a way that you cannot truely be "safe" anywhere, and this is where the main draw is for a lot of people.

As with a few other things recently, CCP has (in my opinion) gone a bit far with how the bounties work -- I could see it being limited to when someone has a criminal flag, but this still has holes in it (e.g. awoxing). Suppose "anyone can get a bounty at any time" is just easier to code than all the edge cases that could come up, though it has severely watered down the meaning of bounties.

Wear the bounty with all the e-honour you can muster, or go looking for trouble in something worth ~1m ISK (as bounty payouts are 20% of your loss).

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Ygnizem Cenia
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-04-15 13:41:45 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
I have never been bountied for posting on the forums here.


Here you go then, as a proof of concept so to speak.

Reminds me of that guy who was silly enough to make "Why did I get a bounty?" thread in General Discussion... three pages later it was over fifty million.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-04-15 14:59:59 UTC
Ashley Thunderstorm wrote:
From what i understand this "practical failure" serves no constructive purpose does it? I'm a carebear. I hate pvp in all it's form and i thought it only got as bad as getting ganked in high sector for carrying valuables. But this...

From what i understand bounties are something you can't avoid. But i just don't like them anyway.


some food for thought for you OP:
1. nobody gives a flying fornication about bounties. unless you are sitting in something extremely expensive, nobody will suicide gank you for your bounty, unless they want to be a **** in which case they would probably gank you anyway.
2. EVE is a libertarian's wet dream. if you have the money (=power) to subjugate or grief people, you are free to do so but prepare to be on the receiving end as well. if you are not okay with this principle within the game context, EVE might not be the right game for you.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Haulie Berry
#19 - 2013-04-15 15:34:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Ashley Thunderstorm wrote:
I was doing a L3 yesterday. Someone came in and started stealing my stuff and i shot him. A T2 logi warped in, not that he really needed help to kill me, i'm what? 11 days now? So he kills me, ask for ransom, i refuse, pods me... I block him and then he bounties me for 123,456 isk.

The part where i die is my fault for shooting at him in the first place. But this bounty... People keep telling me it's no big deal and not to worry about it but it's completely killing my immersion here. I consider people with a bounty like perpetrators, not victims. It only makes sense.

So my question is this, it used to be you could only bounty criminals or low sec status players. Why would anyone need to bounty a high sec status player? Also is there such a thing as bounty greifing?



Given that there's really no tangible consequence to bearing a bounty, bounty "griefing" only exists in as much as some people are disproportionately irked by bounty placement. Any grief a bounty causes you is entirely self-inflicted.

That aside, though, you should do yourself a favor, now, while you're new:

Stop equating other player's actions against you with "abuse". This is a game which very specifically allows (encourages, even) players to take actions that are detrimental to other players. It is no more "abuse" than putting hotels on Boardwalk and Park Place would be "abuse".

Start thinking of it as dynamic content. Smile
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-04-15 15:55:11 UTC
Think of a bounty as a popularity rating.

The higher your bounty the more people like you.
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