Player Features and Ideas Discussion

bumping a ship does not generate aggro.

the only "cost" to your camp is if doing the usual x-way split is that inty pilot whether or not he finds any cloakies gets paid for his time on the gate parties. you pop 5 non cloakies, he gets paid even though he did "nothing" the whole time on gate if no cloakies roll through or he can't find them.

PIck your poison here really. Even the most elitist 20 mil sp or you suck 0.0 types go okay low sp noob, strap into an inty and go play bumper cars to be of some use. No low sp noob in inty, fish get away or they trade in thier uber hac/recon for a "lowly" frigate.

Or don't run the inty, and keep on getting what you are getting really. Your x-man crew has its x-way split for everyone on the killmails. And you jsut have to accept some fish are getting away really.

I wonder Rune, how long will you maintain a whine thread that only you are for? The mwd cloak trick is not a sure escape, if a camper has a high enough sensor strength they can easily insta lock anyone transiting the gate, I've lost a transport ship to a solo camper before so it is posible, there is always a moment between when you start to move and you get your cloak up. This is Eve, get a better ship, get some implants, inject a booster, get a booster alt, or... ya know... get some friends... it is a MMO after all

OP, I hope you realize how fail what you're requesting is, you say you want more pvp, but what you want is to gank ships that stand no chance, by removing the MWD + Cloak trick (which I admit isn't perfect), none of these ships are going to come to low sec, so you'll actually end up getting less pvp.

You don't need a massive gate camp to catch these ships, litter the gate with drones and have a dedicated fast ship burn toward the them when they flicker on the overview and you standa a decent chance of decloaking them. Not to mention ships like T1 haulers and even exploration ships have to sacrifice quite alot to fit a cloak + mwd that isn't much use to them outside the MWD + Cloak trick.

A cruiser with an OH'd MWD can go at least 2.5 km/s, and then you don't need to get exactly on top of someone to decloak them - only within 2km. Further, you don't have to sit at zero on the gate if you accept the fact that you will not catch every cloak + MWDer (nor should you) in a solo cruiser. Instead, you could sit a few km off in one direction giving you a significantly higher chance of catching those that come out on your side and accepting the loss of those who don't.


Because high agility is useful in every situation, combat and non-combat situations included, and doesn't require any effort on the part of the pilot to use. Cloak + MWD is specifically useful in exactly one situation and requires specifically fitting your ship for that purpose.



Ships have a chance to lock them, they just need to be decloaked first, which is very possible.

Also, I have repeated the following point at least three times by now and every time you have ignored it.

They are not evading PVP by avoiding you. By jumping into lowsec and competing against you in some way, they are participating in PVP. They evaded you successfully when you were trying to kill them, which means that you were both engaged in PVP and they won.



If you get scrammed and webbed on the gate, there is no more thinking to do other than guesstimating how long it will take you to die.

Cloak + MWD does involve thinking your way through, it's just thinking that happens when you fit out your ship and plan your trip.



A prowler will align and warp in 5.15 seconds (rather than 10) and will remain cloaked until he lands on an outbound gate or decloaks from the gate - a BR is more or less invulnerable, save for bouts of extreme bad luck, to being decloaked and pointed on a gate whereas a cloak + MWDer is not. Further, a BR can haul effectively in nullsec. Also, BRs are dedicated hauling ships. T1 indies can't effectively pull of cloak + MWD, and DSTs can with great difficulty and a ton of work (due to their huge mass reducing the speed gain from MWD).

Why do I agree with this that no fix is needed... I usualy don't agree with anything thats pvp

They have learnt how to survive, which is exactly what you are here crying about...

First I saw threads about removing AFK cloaking, then I saw threads about warp core stabilizers being removed, now I'm seeing threads about nerfing evasive cloaking. Wonderful. Just wonderful. Whenever someone tries to avoid direct combat, all the idiots who have some inane desire to kill defenseless ships complain that it isn't fair.

We have people making ships to blow other ships up, but you don't hear people complaining that ships shouldn't be able to blow you up even though you made the ship specifically for blowing things up. And of course, we have ships designed to avoid direct combat and constantly we hear complaining that they shouldn't be able to avoid combat even when they make ships designed to avoid combat.

Lol, didnt read something so amusing in the last month. I suggest getting some friends to help you with the camp. And believe me, if they would cancle the mwd+cloak trick, low sec would be a much lonlier place and you would have even less targets... Learn to play properly your prefered style instead of whining about what is wrong. Im a carebare and believe me, a properly made gate camp can nor be counterd. Of course a bunch of wheenies shouldnt be able to camp a gate effectively.

Dear CCP,

I want to win without actually doing anything. I currently can't do that.
Please fix.

Regards,
Bad gate camper.

More bad posts by bad players asking CCP to rig the game in their favor.