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CCP - Regulatory Body?

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Praetor Meles
Black Mount Industrial
Breakpoint.
#21 - 2013-04-14 23:36:04 UTC
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
Please do this.


This. So much this.

Also, in before lock.

[insert random rubbish that irritates you personally] is further evidence that Eve is dying/thriving*

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Dread SinJin
Heisenberg Productions
#22 - 2013-04-15 00:20:26 UTC
the isd's on the forums are a joke, ccp are clowns, the csm is worse of them all.
there is a interal affairs division but again thats run by ccp so go figure
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
#23 - 2013-04-15 00:30:40 UTC
Dread SinJin wrote:
the isd's on the forums are a joke, ccp are clowns, the csm is worse of them all.
there is a interal affairs division but again thats run by ccp so go figure



Translation: These mean people do and say things I don't like therefore they are bad.

What's amusing is the people that claim this sort of thing in every game and still continue to play.......
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#24 - 2013-04-15 02:25:22 UTC
Setaceous wrote:
Dread SinJin wrote:
the isd's on the forums are a joke, ccp are clowns, the csm is worse of them all.
there is a interal affairs division but again thats run by ccp so go figure



Translation: These mean people do and say things I don't like therefore they are bad.

What's amusing is the people that claim this sort of thing in every game and still continue to play.......


Whine is addictive.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Sishen Gzi
Hellion Support Services
#25 - 2013-04-15 02:43:53 UTC
When I make my own game it will be the best internet spaceship game I've ever played
Reuben Johnson
Gal-Min Industries
#26 - 2013-04-15 03:02:06 UTC
fir3bl4st wrote:
Does CCP have a regulatory body that they have to answer to?

The EULA is a joke. It basically says they can do WHATEVER they want. The player can choose to accept CCP's omnipotence in the game ... or not play. That is a joke! Imagine another organisation doing that... we are buying goods and services, not the other way around!!

There are no set guidelines about discipline, warnings, gagging in-game.... this all just seems to happen at opportunity rather that en-mass. There is no set guidelines, they don't use precedent, or have statues... discussing CCP decisions is itself punishable by death. (in-game)

So much of the EULA is redundant, and yet the parts that are important are 1 liners! If they really wanted to cut swearing from the game they could introduce some BASIC software that would filter arrangements of letter etc... (or introduce one of MANY other player made suggestions)

Can the players unionize? CSM is a joke to try and simulate player power... at the end of the day they have little real power, i haven't seen a real change from CSM since it began! CSM and CCP's response to most things is STFU or HTFU.

To make sure that this doesn't constitute a "rant" (again another ambiguous description by CCP) I am asking a question.

Does CCP have a regulatory body? An independent organisation that players can contact? As a trading organisation/company?

What, so now you have some god-given right to play Eve? EULA's in any game is to protect the company from lawsuit's while it does what it needs to do to protect itelf from, strangely enough, lawsuits...or from, yes, governmentel regulatory bodies, it's not a Constitution to protect you from them. It's meant to protect them from you. You fell CCP has soehow violted youre "rights", then get a good Icelandic lawyer and take them to court.
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
#27 - 2013-04-15 04:22:43 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

Whine is addictive.

Indeed. It's also directly proportional to the amount of actual drama and stress in a persons life. We tend to make giant issues out of minor things when we have no real problems to deal with.
Drunken Bum
#28 - 2013-04-15 04:27:09 UTC
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
It's CCP's game; they can do whatever the hell they want.

If they want to change all the spaceships to giant penises, then god-dammit they can do so.















Please do this.

They tried already, but got bored after turning half of amarr and gallentes ships into wangs.

After the patch we're giving the market some gentle supply restriction, like tying one wrist to the bedpost loosely with soft silk rope. Just enough to make things a bit more exciting for the market, not enough to make a safeword necessary.  -Fozzie
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#29 - 2013-04-15 05:38:59 UTC
This thread is now officially about peniships.

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Sishen Gzi
Hellion Support Services
#30 - 2013-04-15 05:46:40 UTC
it's what thorax means is icelandic
Ai Shun
#31 - 2013-04-15 05:47:58 UTC
fir3bl4st wrote:
The EULA is a joke. It basically says they can do WHATEVER they want. The player can choose to accept CCP's omnipotence in the game ... or not play. That is a joke! Imagine another organisation doing that... we are buying goods and services, not the other way around!!


Isn't it awesome? You, as the consumer, can choose which products and services you use. There is no obligation for you to buy a service when you disagree with how it is presented, the terms of that service or any other aspect of it.

See, no matter how nice an Apple products' user interface is I will not purchase one. One, because they are one of the most unethical companies I've ever encountered - particularly with their lack of strictures on the near on slave labour used to produce their devices and I believe they are over-hyped, over-marketed, brand driven products that are over-priced for the functionality they deliver. Basically - cool if you're a champagne socialist that wants to look like you know anything about technology; but for more advanced people with a bit more of social conscience, not so cool.

And you know, that's my opinion. It means I choose not to purchase Apple products. You may purchase them. You may love them.

That's one of the things that makes this world so cool. We don't have to buy things we don't like or disagree with. And we can all do whatever we like in that regard!
Darvaleth Sigma
Imperial Security Hegemony
#32 - 2013-04-15 06:35:59 UTC
Bad thread. OP plays game made by CCP but wants somebody other than CCP to control it because he broke some rules...

Bounty time!

Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.

Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#33 - 2013-04-15 06:56:23 UTC
fir3bl4st wrote:
Does CCP have a regulatory body that they have to answer to?

The EULA is a joke. It basically says they can do WHATEVER they want. The player can choose to accept CCP's omnipotence in the game ... or not play. That is a joke! Imagine another organisation doing that... we are buying goods and services, not the other way around!!

There are no set guidelines about discipline, warnings, gagging in-game.... this all just seems to happen at opportunity rather that en-mass. There is no set guidelines, they don't use precedent, or have statues... discussing CCP decisions is itself punishable by death. (in-game)

So much of the EULA is redundant, and yet the parts that are important are 1 liners! If they really wanted to cut swearing from the game they could introduce some BASIC software that would filter arrangements of letter etc... (or introduce one of MANY other player made suggestions)

Can the players unionize? CSM is a joke to try and simulate player power... at the end of the day they have little real power, i haven't seen a real change from CSM since it began! CSM and CCP's response to most things is STFU or HTFU.

To make sure that this doesn't constitute a "rant" (again another ambiguous description by CCP) I am asking a question.

Does CCP have a regulatory body? An independent organisation that players can contact? As a trading organisation/company?


When you enter my house, you do so on my terms & conditions, and I can kick you out whenever I feel like it, even if you think you haven't done anything wrong.

When you connect to CCP's server... OK you see where this is going?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#34 - 2013-04-15 06:57:54 UTC
Dread SinJin wrote:
the isd's on the forums are a joke, ccp are clowns, the csm is worse of them all.
there is a interal affairs division but again thats run by ccp so go figure


And you're the one who keeps on paying for it all. What does that make you?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-04-15 07:02:24 UTC
No it can not be! This thread... The ENTITLEMENT......! I-It's over 9000!Ugh

_**Noob **_isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.

  • Sun Tzu
fir3bl4st
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-04-15 07:08:40 UTC
Ryuu Shi wrote:
No it can not be! This thread... The ENTITLEMENT......! I-It's over 9000!Ugh


... Of course there are entitlement issues here. I am a paying customer.

wow, every thread trolled to pieces.

yes, i know they could delete the servers if they wanted to, they could do whatever they want..... that is my point!

no, this is nothing like coming to your house. CCP advertise all over the web to come to their server... as well, that example was terrible.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#37 - 2013-04-15 07:52:27 UTC
Imagine a world where NPC corp trolltards weren't allowed to **** these forums with their idiocy.

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StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#38 - 2013-04-15 07:56:54 UTC  |  Edited by: StoneCold
Malcanis wrote:
fir3bl4st wrote:
Does CCP have a regulatory body that they have to answer to?

-saving room-



When you enter my house, you do so on my terms & conditions, and I can kick you out whenever I feel like it, even if you think you haven't done anything wrong.

When you connect to CCP's server... OK you see where this is going?


Lawyers call this "phenomenon" House right (at least in my tongue - might be bad translated).
And it´s indeed part of EVERY online agreement where a server to login is part of the service.

My true stories
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#39 - 2013-04-15 08:08:06 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
fir3bl4st wrote:
Ryuu Shi wrote:
No it can not be! This thread... The ENTITLEMENT......! I-It's over 9000!Ugh


... Of course there are entitlement issues here. I am a paying customer.

wow, every thread trolled to pieces.

yes, i know they could delete the servers if they wanted to, they could do whatever they want..... that is my point!

no, this is nothing like coming to your house. CCP advertise all over the web to come to their server... as well, that example was terrible.


And, as a paying customer, you're entitled to avail yourself of your exclusive recourse to no longer be a paying customer of CCPs.

The customer/service provider relationship is purely voluntary, and either party can end it whenever they want and for any legal reason they want.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-04-15 09:15:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
EULAs are wishlists.

As there is no significant punishment for having unenforceable/illegal clauses in your EULA a game company's lawyer has no reason to leave out any potentially liability reducing clause he can dream of.

If a clause gets thrown out in court then the worst thing that can happen to the company is that provisions which resemble common practice/expectations in contracts of this kind are assumed instead.

How much of the EULA really applies, starting with the "You hereby expressly waive and agree not to raise any and all objections based on personal jurisdiction, venue and/or inconvenience of such forum and agree to the jurisdiction of the District Court of Reykjavík, Iceland." clause (which, for example, I know for sure to be invalid in Germany; here a venue clause can only be agreed to between merchants, a consumer cannot enter into any such agreement), is something you have to find out in court.

Assuming that every clause in an EULA is legally binding is incredibly naive. The oversight provided through your local consumer protection laws is very likely to apply despite CCP's best efforts to convince you otherwise.

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