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Why don't gankers and war deccers just go to low/null/wh space????
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2013-04-14 21:38:35 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
You refuse to tolerate these players because they play differently from you. You insist in mocking, degrading, and ridiculing them. Day in and day out you create and support (as in you and your ilk) anti-carebear rants overwhelmingly drowing the one or two OP's created by new players that may have misunderstood the game mechanics. You're so blinded by hate you don't even see that you yourself are that whiner you ***** about. You blame carebears for pretty much everything. You yourself went as insisting these players be banned from the game.

And the problem with you is that since you didn't reason yourself into this anti-carebear ideology you cannot be reasoned out of it. Your loud antagonistic and hateful behavior don't help much either. Unfortunately with you, we just have to let the poison run its course and hope it eventually exits the system without causing too much damage while attempting to control the symptoms (i.e. anti-carebear lies and deception you spew).

By far, this game has the loudest, rudest, hate-filled anti-carebear minority that I have encountered in any game.

:watching grown men cry:

You call that crying? You show how much more you act like a child with comments like that. But, good for you if this turns you on I suppose.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2013-04-14 21:41:05 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Spouting lies and hate toward me and others for doing nothing more than correcting wrong assumptions.

Is that what you do?


Yes.

Even after 15 months I am still giving out advice on how to avoid being ganked by us, dispite the hate I get from bears.

I've seen some of the advice you give to carebears, and I have to say, it's far from "advice".

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#103 - 2013-04-14 21:47:52 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:

I've seen some of the advice you give to carebears, and I have to say, it's far from "advice".


Again with that bitterness and lies.

Its almost as if you dont bother to read what I say and just spout hate towards me because I play this game in a way you do not approve of and feel I should not post things that punch holes in your arguments.

Tell me, how is posting exact fits for unprofitable to gank barges and tactics and fitting for unprofitable haulers not helpfull advice?
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#104 - 2013-04-14 21:49:22 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
You call that crying? You show how much more you act like a child with comments like that. But, good for you if this turns you on I suppose.

I'm always amazed at how aggressive and nasty carebears get on these forums.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#105 - 2013-04-14 21:50:51 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
You call that crying? You show how much more you act like a child with comments like that. But, good for you if this turns you on I suppose.

I'm always amazed at how aggressive and nasty carebears get on these forums.


You should see some of the stuff they send me in game.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#106 - 2013-04-14 22:04:38 UTC
Harbonah wrote:
Are you kidding? I've already packed my stomach full of Justin Bieber sploooge and I'm ready to go. I'll be departing Farpoint Station at 3pm Turkmenistan time to deliver the perfect child.


This. This man is the future messiah of EVE, and deserves our protection.
Augustine Artrald
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2013-04-14 22:09:27 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Augustine Artrald wrote:
I challenge the notion that EVE must only be about PVP.
Ok. So describe one thing you can do in EVE that is not PvP.


I already described "one thing" in an earlier post. Someone who chooses to play the game merely for social/roleplay reasons can operate in such a way that PVP is never encountered.

But let's be real. Regardless of what I mention, you are going to do the mental gymnastics necessary to make it somehow governed by PVP.

Would it shock you to learn that the entirety of time I have spent on EVE has been spent alone on PVE? Sure players like you may attempt, and likely succeed, at destroying my ship in high-sec, but I don't view that as PVP. I merely view that as an extension of PVE within which I am tasked with finding ways to survive while doing my own thing.

You seem to be mistaking my views on PVP. Whatever someone wants to do when it comes to PVP, or however a person chooses to define PVP, I don't care. I am not going to let it impact me. I just find it unusual that some players, and I am posting this for the third time in this thread, do not engage in PVP against unwilling targets because they find it fun but because they dislike the way their targets play the game and want to attempt to force them to quit the game.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#108 - 2013-04-14 22:17:12 UTC
Augustine Artrald wrote:
I just find it unusual that some players, and I am posting this for the third time in this thread, do not engage in PVP against unwilling targets because they find it fun but because they dislike the way their targets play the game and want to attempt to force them to quit the game.


Targeting someone for the express purpurse of forcing them to quit is one of the very few things considered griefing and will rightly earn a warning/ban
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#109 - 2013-04-14 22:20:14 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
What part of concord will kill you, sec loss, open to being attacked from everyone else, not having the cargo/loot drop and having a killright on your head that can be claimed at any time is low risk?


CONCORD blowing up your ship and issuing a sec status penalty (which is a bit of a joke to start with) are not part of "risk" they are part of "known cost". The part about being GCC flagged is a 15 minute timeout penalty during which you can go park in any NPC station (because again, sec status and GCC are a bit of a joke). The kill rights are a bit of a joke too, if the victim sets that kill right to be claimable by anybody.

You already know that very few carebears will strike back using the kill rights that they have obtained. If the kill rights are made publicly claimable, you can get your friend to claim the kill right and blow you up while you are flying something worthless (such as a rookie ship).

So what is the "risk" in suicide ganking in hisec? Only the potential financial loss if the reward you are expecting from the gank attempt doesn't arrive: whether that be the T2 ice harvesters or the carebear tears in local.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#110 - 2013-04-14 22:20:49 UTC
Augustine Artrald wrote:

I already described "one thing" in an earlier post. Someone who chooses to play the game merely for social/roleplay reasons can operate in such a way that PVP is never encountered.

But let's be real. Regardless of what I mention, you are going to do the mental gymnastics necessary to make it somehow governed by PVP.

Would it shock you to learn that the entirety of time I have spent on EVE has been spent alone on PVE? Sure players like you may attempt, and likely succeed, at destroying my ship in high-sec, but I don't view that as PVP. I merely view that as an extension of PVE within which I am tasked with finding ways to survive while doing my own thing.

You seem to be mistaking my views on PVP. Whatever someone wants to do when it comes to PVP, or however a person chooses to define PVP, I don't care. I am not going to let it impact me. I just find it unusual that some players, and I am posting this for the third time in this thread, do not engage in PVP against unwilling targets because they find it fun but because they dislike the way their targets play the game and want to attempt to force them to quit the game.


I blow up the unwilling because they are often carrying shiny things I can resell, and they tend not to be prepared for PVP to start with. I don't see it any differently than taking someone's pawn when playing chess, or bankrupting someone out of a monopoly game.

I'm not trying to force someone to quit, but, I advise they do if they cannot handle the fact that they can be popped.

Clumsy analogy, I'm a predator in EVE. I'm not wasting time chasing down prey that can defend itself, wasting too much energy to kill. I'm going after the sickly, slow, injured prey that I can just wander up to and chew on.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#111 - 2013-04-14 22:25:34 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
What part of concord will kill you, sec loss, open to being attacked from everyone else, not having the cargo/loot drop and having a killright on your head that can be claimed at any time is low risk?


CONCORD blowing up your ship and issuing a sec status penalty (which is a bit of a joke to start with) are not part of "risk" they are part of "known cost". The part about being GCC flagged is a 15 minute timeout penalty during which you can go park in any NPC station (because again, sec status and GCC are a bit of a joke). The kill rights are a bit of a joke too, if the victim sets that kill right to be claimable by anybody.

You already know that very few carebears will strike back using the kill rights that they have obtained. If the kill rights are made publicly claimable, you can get your friend to claim the kill right and blow you up while you are flying something worthless (such as a rookie ship).

So what is the "risk" in suicide ganking in hisec? Only the potential financial loss if the reward you are expecting from the gank attempt doesn't arrive: whether that be the T2 ice harvesters or the carebear tears in local.


So we call it punishment and risk given that we stay -10 while ganking.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2013-04-14 22:55:43 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Simple answer, targets in low/null/wh-space shoot back. Those in highsec don't. Why do risky PvP when you've got highsec easy-mode?

No, that's not it at all.
It's very simple, really.
Targets in low generally don't have expensive modules fitted to their ships or in their cargo, and besides outside of FW very few people do any PVE in lowsec..
There are people who fit such expensive modules to their PVE ships in null/WH space (myself being one of those people) but due to things like population density, delayed local in the case of WH space, and the fact that these people generally have a much better understanding of game mechanics and are much more likely to have the sense to get away when you enter system, these people generally aren't the greatest targets since it just takes a while to find them.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2013-04-14 23:05:10 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Tippia wrote:
But you're quite right: these threads do tend to bring out the hate-filled carebear minority in force so they can spew ill-informed vitriol about things they have no idea about but that they'd like to comment on based on fourth-hand myths and misunderstandings.

You refuse to tolerate these players because they play differently from you. You insist in mocking, degrading, and ridiculing them. Day in and day out you create and support (as in you and your ilk) anti-carebear rants overwhelmingly drowing the one or two OP's created by new players that may have misunderstood the game mechanics. You're so blinded by hate you don't even see that you yourself are that whiner you ***** about. You blame carebears for pretty much everything. You yourself went as far as insisting these carebear players and their corps be banned from the game.

And the problem with you is that since you didn't reason yourself into this anti-carebear ideology you cannot be reasoned out of it. Your loud antagonistic and hateful behavior doesn't help much either. Unfortunately with you and everyone else, we just have to let the poison run its course and hope it eventually exits the system without causing too much damage while attempting to control the symptoms (i.e. anti-carebear lies and deception you spew).

By far, this game has the loudest, rudest, hate-filled anti-carebear minority that I have encountered in any game.


This entire post is crap. We help newbees every day all day long. Sure we won't spoon feed them but, we will make the terrible parts of the game, isk grinding, easier on them. You're right though we weren't reasoned into the anti-carebear ideology. We were almost forced into it, CCP has been consistently nerfing highsec aggression and making highsec safer. We oppose that, we don't want our game turning into the next failed themepark MMO.

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Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#114 - 2013-04-14 23:06:34 UTC
I live in low sec and pew, and still gank bears in highsec.

So dont claim we are all to cowardly to go to low and null. Many of us use our mains for suicide ganking and are very happy in lowsec thank you very much.

So why gank mining barges?

Because it is fun? Because the constant stream of anger that people spew? And the constant promises of them and their 50 friends comming down to goinard to kill us (yet they never do).

and for profit of course. People put the silliest things on their ships at times :)

is it hard? nope, is it dangerous? not at all. is it an inconvenience with the sec status? nope, most of us are -10 anyway from pew pewing in lowsec.

so its pretty much free isk and tears.

so... you would be crazy to pa
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2013-04-14 23:08:03 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
[quote=baltec1]So what is the "risk" in suicide ganking in hisec? Only the potential financial loss if the reward you are expecting from the gank attempt doesn't arrive: whether that be the T2 ice harvesters or the carebear tears in local.


This is the major risk in highsec, failure of investment. So how about we add more general risk to highsec.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#116 - 2013-04-14 23:26:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
baltec1 wrote:
You should see some of the stuff they send me in game.

Some of the most racist, homophobic and generally hateful things I've ever read on the internet have come directly from a freshly exploded mission runner. Specifically mission runners too, not miners, not incursioneers (who tend to just be self-important blowhards more than anything) nor industrialists.

They also appear to be the people who have the biggest difficulty separating reality from fiction, regularly accusing people who like to shoot at spaceships in a game about people flying armed spaceships of being sociopaths, rapists, murderers etc, often to then go on to threaten myself/family/pet with physical violence.

My extensive personal experience with shooting highsec carebears has made is very apparent to me that assuming that carebears are all normal, well adjusted human beings with healthy attitudes towards playing a computer game is a terrible mistake.

Hell of all the highsec griefers I know I can only think of a couple who are totally batshit mental, but every other carebear seems like they may as well be on meth.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#117 - 2013-04-14 23:34:06 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
This is the major risk in highsec, failure of investment. So how about we add more general risk to highsec.


The failure to produce tears or loot is only a concern to gankers looking for profitable ganks.

Gankers who are only after the joy of pretty explosions are never dissatisfied, thus there is no risk since there will always be explosions.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#118 - 2013-04-14 23:42:39 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
So we call it punishment and risk given that we stay -10 while ganking.


What risk is there, since you have already mitigated all the dangers? What punishment is there, since you view -10 flashy red as a status badge?

None of the game mechanics actually work as punishment or disincentive to gank, which is obvious since your corporation's purpose for existence is to suicide gank. You've got fittings and procedures to follow for optimum gankage, including profit/loss analysis and forums full of pubbie tears copypasta.

The only reason there is any risk is because you set out to run suicide gank fleets as an income stream or to support your existing income stream.

If you weren't so focussed on profits, you'd be happily suicide ganking without any concern about what loot dropped.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#119 - 2013-04-14 23:48:32 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
You should see some of the stuff they send me in game.

Some of the most racist, homophobic and generally hateful things I've ever read on the internet have come directly from a freshly exploded mission runner. Specifically mission runners too, not miners, not incursioneers (who tend to just be self-important blowhards more than anything) nor industrialists.



I have to agree with you here.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2013-04-14 23:51:52 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
This is the major risk in highsec, failure of investment. So how about we add more general risk to highsec.


The failure to produce tears or loot is only a concern to gankers looking for profitable ganks.

Gankers who are only after the joy of pretty explosions are never dissatisfied, thus there is no risk since there will always be explosions.


According to the CSM minutes suicide ganking is at "historic lows" so that means those people are rare. Also just because someone is ganking for entertainment does not mean there is no risk, they could flub the gank wasting their time and entertainment. No gank is guaranteed. It is a gross untruth to try to claim that suicide ganking is riskless.

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