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CCP - Regulatory Body?

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fir3bl4st
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-04-14 21:36:03 UTC
Does CCP have a regulatory body that they have to answer to?

The EULA is a joke. It basically says they can do WHATEVER they want. The player can choose to accept CCP's omnipotence in the game ... or not play. That is a joke! Imagine another organisation doing that... we are buying goods and services, not the other way around!!

There are no set guidelines about discipline, warnings, gagging in-game.... this all just seems to happen at opportunity rather that en-mass. There is no set guidelines, they don't use precedent, or have statues... discussing CCP decisions is itself punishable by death. (in-game)

So much of the EULA is redundant, and yet the parts that are important are 1 liners! If they really wanted to cut swearing from the game they could introduce some BASIC software that would filter arrangements of letter etc... (or introduce one of MANY other player made suggestions)

Can the players unionize? CSM is a joke to try and simulate player power... at the end of the day they have little real power, i haven't seen a real change from CSM since it began! CSM and CCP's response to most things is STFU or HTFU.

To make sure that this doesn't constitute a "rant" (again another ambiguous description by CCP) I am asking a question.

Does CCP have a regulatory body? An independent organisation that players can contact? As a trading organisation/company?
Dave Stark
#2 - 2013-04-14 21:37:15 UTC
so you got caught botting, right?
fir3bl4st
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-04-14 21:38:06 UTC
lol, no. dispite what it looks like this post has been years coming. i just remembered to voice myself.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-04-14 21:39:52 UTC
Players unionize ?

Dude... the 60's are over... flashbacks not withstanding. Roll

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Tyrendian Biohazard
The Bastards
Sedition.
#5 - 2013-04-14 21:45:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrendian Biohazard
Must be your first time reading ANY EULA...

Twitch streamer and EVE NT tournament broadcaster.
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
#6 - 2013-04-14 21:45:21 UTC
The EULA is pretty much industry standard. You could just stop playing games. Go read a book.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#7 - 2013-04-14 21:46:58 UTC
The regulatory body would be law and government. They supersede the EULA should a dispute occur.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-04-14 21:47:48 UTC
It's CCP's game; they can do whatever the hell they want.

If they want to change all the spaceships to giant penises, then god-dammit they can do so.















Please do this.

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Dorian Mirror
Glovis Corporation
#9 - 2013-04-14 21:48:07 UTC
fir3bl4st wrote:
The EULA is a joke. It basically says they can do WHATEVER they want. The player can choose to accept CCP's omnipotence in the game ... or not play.


Isn't this the case with just about any license agreement though? It's like you said: If you don't want to accept these terms, don't! I doubt there's a CCP employee behind you holding a gun to your head, forcing you to accept the EULA...
fir3bl4st
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-04-14 21:59:28 UTC
Dorian Mirror wrote:
fir3bl4st wrote:
The EULA is a joke. It basically says they can do WHATEVER they want. The player can choose to accept CCP's omnipotence in the game ... or not play.


Isn't this the case with just about any license agreement though? It's like you said: If you don't want to accept these terms, don't! I doubt there's a CCP employee behind you holding a gun to your head, forcing you to accept the EULA...


Of course not.

And no it's not the first time i've read a EULA.

Just seems insanely draconian. They have a massive customer base and with the 300k account level they surely need to make these aspects of the game a bit more concrete!
Akuyaku
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-04-14 21:59:56 UTC
CCP owns the servers (and all rights to the game) legally they could delete everything durring downtime tonight and force everyone to start over from the beginning tomorow.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2013-04-14 22:01:25 UTC
You should look at some of the things apple and google slip into theirs.
Tyrendian Biohazard
The Bastards
Sedition.
#13 - 2013-04-14 22:06:23 UTC
fir3bl4st wrote:
Dorian Mirror wrote:
fir3bl4st wrote:
The EULA is a joke. It basically says they can do WHATEVER they want. The player can choose to accept CCP's omnipotence in the game ... or not play.


Isn't this the case with just about any license agreement though? It's like you said: If you don't want to accept these terms, don't! I doubt there's a CCP employee behind you holding a gun to your head, forcing you to accept the EULA...


Of course not.

And no it's not the first time i've read a EULA.

Just seems insanely draconian. They have a massive customer base and with the 300k account level they surely need to make these aspects of the game a bit more concrete!


I think everyone with half a mind knows the point is to NOT make it concrete so they can adjust it to fit how they need it.

Bad troll is bad

Twitch streamer and EVE NT tournament broadcaster.
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
#14 - 2013-04-14 22:09:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Setaceous
Re-reading the OP, it seems you are a bit confused between the difference between the EULA and the ToS.

The EULA tells you what you can (and cannot) do with your purchased account/game licence.

The ToS tells you what you can(and cannot) do once you have logged onto the game with the aforementioned account/game licence.

Things like account sharing and unauthorised out of game transactions are covered by the EULA.

Things like swearing and inappropriate conduct are covered by the ToS.

Now, which of the two do you actually have an issue with?
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#15 - 2013-04-14 23:15:49 UTC
It's their game, and they aren't going to suddenly make some rule that'll drive players away, usually not good business practice.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#16 - 2013-04-14 23:17:08 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
You should look at some of the things apple and google slip into theirs.

I can't be bothered reading or searching for it, can you give me an example?

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Fairren
HellrisCorp
#17 - 2013-04-14 23:18:12 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
You should look at some of the things apple and google slip into theirs.

Like the CentiPod clause
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#18 - 2013-04-14 23:21:23 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
so you got caught botting, right?


Entitlement overload ITT

Hey OP, if you are unhappy with your internet spaceship experience log off and go outside

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Baggo Hammers
#19 - 2013-04-14 23:23:03 UTC
EULA boilerplate. Botter.

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2013-04-14 23:33:42 UTC
fir3bl4st wrote:
The EULA is a joke. It basically says they can do WHATEVER they want. The player can choose to accept CCP's omnipotence in the game ... or not play. That is a joke! Imagine another organisation doing that... we are buying goods and services, not the other way around!!
Imagine? Why would you have to. All other organisations providing similar goods and services do the same, and you are free not to use them should you disagree with the basic contract you enter into.

No, playing a game is not a right or an essential service — you play on the provider's terms, and no-one is forcing you to do anything you don't want.
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