Player Features and Ideas Discussion

They are not avoiding PVP, they're just not shooting you. They are participating in PVP by evading you.

There should be a game mechanic that allows any ship to evade being shot at because no fight is equal. In most cases the gatecamp is going to have a ridiculous upper hand on the target, so if the target did not have a way to evade the camp then it would constitute a loss that he has no reasonable means to prevent. As we've been over before, it is bad game design to lose stuff without any reasonable means of countering it. People should lose stuff because they make mistakes or were outplayed, not because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Drones follow or go between ships when set to assist. Decloaking that would mean he needs to be between your ship and a fleetmate or somehow behind you when go past him as they follow you. Doesn't make sense for people doing the MWD trick. UNLESS you are talking about a large fleet. And guess what, then its easy to decloak things since the whole gate is pretty much covered anyways.

No but they go faster than standard speed when fit with a cloak. Means they were designed to do exactly that type of warp.

I thought drones set to assist orbited the assisted ship? Either way, drones aren't necessary, or you could just use a fast frigate with drones (Dramiel comes to mind) for this

Yes. At around 1k when idle, but follow behind when the ship is moving.

1. Evading a gate camp is PvP.
2. If ain't broke don't fix it...or at least make sure that your fix includes a way to accomplish 1 with some chance of success.

So yeah, really.

It is broken. People can dodge gatecamps with battleships that only have a mwd and a cloak fit.

rofl , that only speaks about your gatecamp , how it is so badly put togeather

strangly when we gate camp we always have some ceptor to tackle /decloak,
oh no you only want to use your pvp tornado , i see....

Okay, let me help you here Rune....

Lets consider another situation that often rears its ugly head on this sub-forum. AFK cloaking.

Many "null bears" off come here and whine about some jerk AFK cloaked in their preferred ratting system. They often suggest various solutions. See this thread for some examples.

But the real issue is that one "broken mechanic" is fixing another "broken mechanic". Local gives very good intel to the null bears. So good in fact that if they are:

1. Watching local,
2. Watching intel channels,
3. Flying their PvE ship correctly.

They will never, ever get caught by a roaming ship or ships (BTW, this is why Bots are almost never caught, the computer with a good bot program will always do 1-3 ever second it is active). Ever. So roaming gangs have to hope for a dope who is not doing 1-3 to try and catch some prey, or run into another roaming gang that they have a chance at killing.

So AFK cloaking. It uses the awesome intel capabilities of local to its advantage in denying resources to the "null bears". It can on occasion lul some "null bears" into a false sense of complacency leading to kills.

It is like this simple math problem: -1*(-1) = 1. Two negatives making a positive...or in this case, two dubious mechanics counter acting each other to some extent.

Others in this thread are saying the same thing about the MWD + cloak trick. You are failing miserably in this thread because you aren't engaging their arguments. You are simply complaining that something should be fixed entirely in your favor. That is not fixing a broken mechanic it is removing a broken mechanic and replacing it with another.

So, raise your level of argumentation and come up with a solution that just wont get you easy peasy kills. That will never ever be followed through on. Ever.

And I don't mean an insult by calling players "null bears" almost all PvP pilots do some form of carebearing so they can keep replacing ships. It isn't a bad thing at all.

Scout your way through. Use EWAR modules. I have had some people with ecm bursts get away. Burn back to gate and jump through. Outrun them or fight back (I am not just talking about indies, this is far more common on guys doing PVE)
If you end up getting trapped at a gate by someone hunting you, simply having a cloak and a prop mod fit should not be an automatic escape.