Intergalactic Summit

Karin Midular has been sent to Pator

This is why jumping to conclusions and flailing about in unbridled rage is extremely unwise when things haven't even settled down. Since the whole Caille massacre, I have emphasized the importance of waiting until they've even scraped the blood off the walls. But no, we demanded that the rest of the cluster functions to our timetable and our demands. I could go on, but I have a feeling even those who jumped at the chance to decry the Federation knew all they had to do was shut up, sit down, and wait.

Seriphyn Inhonores advising people to shut up?

That's sort of like the Empress praising atheism.

Also, what Ava says.

I have to agree with the shaman. Seriphyn, you might be seeing events out of order; the outcry could very well have been the reason she was transferred. As a Gallentean who believes in democratic ideals, I think you know about the importance of public opinion and how it can sway the minds and decisions of leaders.

Thank you for allowing incompetent security to guard my chief, which resulted in her assassination attempt and the deaths of dozens of people.

Thank you for years of treating me and mine like we are children.

Thank you for your arrogant, pompous attitude towards every situation and absolute refusal to accept responsibility for anything.

Thank you for attempting to force your ways, from your views that tattoos are "barbaric" to attempting to force your government on us, under the guise of "assistance".

And thank you for continuing to fight a deadly, bloody war against the Caldari, which recently culminated in an event so horrid that it resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of people.

From the bottom of my heart,

THANKS.

Inhonores, don't you think there has been enough finger pointing and blame cast around for one weekend?

Out of all of the days for you to choose to crusade for the Federation's reputation, perhaps now is not a good time.

And I get a "I can do no wrong", holier-than-thou response like this.

So, we're both living up to the stereotype, then?

Herein lies the problem.

To you it is a debate. An argument.

To us, it concerns the chief of our Tribe, the leader of our extended family, and, oh yeah, the lives of over 300 other people, too.

It isnt a debate. It isnt an argument. It isnt a game. It is a very real, very awful situation in which people are trying to say they're "right".

It is, in short, utter bullshit.

All I have to say is that I will turn my thoughts toward hope for her recovery, and that as she heals so will the wound that our people have suffered in unity.

We must all remember that the monster that did this stuck first at our bond to each other. If we honor the fallen, we should honor the strength of that bond. We should ensure that it overcomes any hate or evil that strikes to weaken it.

Without sounding completely insensitive - as you've mentioned your social skills may be poor and their is nothing wrong with that - I'll simply say that sarcasm does not equal an opinion. So, making a sarcastic, flippant remark isn't a demonstration of opinion. It may be rude, callous, or un-necessary, but it is not automatically a demonstration of opinion unless someone is simply assuming.

I'd also like to note the concept of playing Devil's Advocate.

All in all, as I said, I simply find the inner workings of debate, argument, and emotion in such things interesting. Hence the initial comment. I simply find it curious that over the last few days the Federation has, for the most part, been bashed endlessly for it's latest choices. And yet when someone mentions a particular choice that the Republic made that could be perceived negatively, that person is raged it.

Your ad hom isn't getting you anywhere.

You're doing exactly what you claim others are doing, you do realize. Is it really that hard to accept the idea that just because someone has a different opinion than you that they're not being ignorant? You're reading way too much into peoples' observations. Why is it condescending, arrogant, or patronizing to ask a simple question? Because the person is a member of the Federation? That doesn't make much sense, considering you're raging that people are being bigots.

Why are you reading in to it so much? It is a very simple, open question.

Why is it acceptable that the Federation get insulted or questioned on it's every choice over the last few days and yet, when the Republic makes a choice that could be construed as negative and someone points it out, that person is immediately jumped on as being negative or condescending?

This is an observation and a pretty reasonable topic for debate.

I will add though that I don't entirely agree with how this thread was started or the way things were worded in the first post.