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Why don't gankers and war deccers just go to low/null/wh space????

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#41 - 2013-04-14 14:59:51 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:



Unlike most people I don't try and come up with a number of in depth and psychological reasons why I gank people, I do because there are times I enjoy being a **** and because I can, it really is that simple.


We gank because it makes us rich. Its the victims who feel the need to find some psychological flaw that makes us do it.
Prince Kobol
#42 - 2013-04-14 15:02:54 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:



Unlike most people I don't try and come up with a number of in depth and psychological reasons why I gank people, I do because there are times I enjoy being a **** and because I can, it really is that simple.


We gank because it makes us rich. Its the victims who feel the need to find some psychological flaw that makes us do it.


Thats grand, it really is, just stop trying to make sound like its the most dangerous and difficult activity in Eve, the truth is it isn't dangerous and it isn't difficult.. bloody good fun yes, dangerous and difficult, not even close :)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#43 - 2013-04-14 15:05:58 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Prince Kobol wrote:


Thats grand, it really is, just stop trying to make sound like its the most dangerous and difficult activity in Eve, the truth is it isn't dangerous and it isn't difficult.. bloody good fun yes, dangerous and difficult, not even close :)


Its hardly risk free though. There are plenty of drawbacks but its not our fault the people of highsec dont utilise the many options to make us feel pain.
flakeys
Doomheim
#44 - 2013-04-14 15:12:23 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:



Unlike most people I don't try and come up with a number of in depth and psychological reasons why I gank people, I do because there are times I enjoy being a **** and because I can, it really is that simple.


We gank because it makes us rich. Its the victims who feel the need to find some psychological flaw that makes us do it.


Thats grand, it really is, just stop trying to make sound like its the most dangerous and difficult activity in Eve, the truth is it isn't dangerous and it isn't difficult.. bloody good fun yes, dangerous and difficult, not even close :)



Finally someone who get's what it's about.See it ain't THAT hard just saying it ain't difficult but you just enjoy it.I don't hate ganking or griefing or scamming it's all part of eve and should NEVER be removed.

Just stop pretending it's more then what it is like baltec does.Now he says ''yeah it's bout profit'' then in another post he'll claim there is no profit's gained as they can't take the loot then in another post it'll be all about teaching people bout high-sec risk ....


Offcourse some people speak their own mind and some people need to follow the doctrine ...




We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#45 - 2013-04-14 15:19:29 UTC
flakeys wrote:



Just stop pretending it's more then what it is like baltec does.Now he says ''yeah it's bout profit'' then in another post he'll claim there is no profit's gained as they can't take the loot then in another post it'll be all about teaching people bout high-sec risk ....






Its called context, look it up sometime.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-04-14 15:22:27 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Thats grand, it really is, just stop trying to make sound like its the most dangerous and difficult activity in Eve, the truth is it isn't dangerous and it isn't difficult.. bloody good fun yes, dangerous and difficult, not even close :)


yep thanks for making it easy

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Prince Kobol
#47 - 2013-04-14 15:27:21 UTC
Andski wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Thats grand, it really is, just stop trying to make sound like its the most dangerous and difficult activity in Eve, the truth is it isn't dangerous and it isn't difficult.. bloody good fun yes, dangerous and difficult, not even close :)


yep thanks for making it easy



How am I making it easy?

(Beware I am confused easily as I am nothing but a scrub noob cuddly care bear Big smile)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#48 - 2013-04-14 15:30:36 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:



How am I making it easy?

(Beware I am confused easily as I am nothing but a scrub noob cuddly care bear Big smile)


It was a general comment aimed at all of high sec.
flakeys
Doomheim
#49 - 2013-04-14 15:39:57 UTC
What they mean kobol is that it is hard for them to find their own words.The whole doctrine thing i just said above makes the brain a bit dead on inspirational thoughts.

As such they would like to thank you for speaking so that they could just quote it with their thumbs up.


It's a bit like you'd have with 4 year olds .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2013-04-14 16:17:34 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Akuyaku wrote:
Funky Lazers wrote:

Because otherwise they will get their аss kicked in null/low by people who can shoot back.

But the people in low/null DON'T shoot back. They just dock up. People in highsec seldom check local for baddies/ go afk a lot. Whereas people in low/null dock the moment a non-blue enters system.

I don't know about you, but the moment someone enters my system I undock and try to find the guy.
Unless of course I'm ratting, in which case docking up is just plain common sense - fighting in a ratting ship isn't brave, it's stupid.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#51 - 2013-04-14 16:20:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
because why fly around and around in nullsec or low for hours when you can just go into any system anywhere in hi and there's a target
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2013-04-14 16:21:34 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:



Unlike most people I don't try and come up with a number of in depth and psychological reasons why I gank people, I do because there are times I enjoy being a **** and because I can, it really is that simple.


We gank because it makes us rich. Its the victims who feel the need to find some psychological flaw that makes us do it.


Thats grand, it really is, just stop trying to make sound like its the most dangerous and difficult activity in Eve, the truth is it isn't dangerous and it isn't difficult.. bloody good fun yes, dangerous and difficult, not even close :)

He's not really saying it's hard. There aren't really that many things in EVE that are. Dragging and dropping things though, is like a nightmare, but then again my mouse is kind of dying so that's probably why.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Tasha Saisima
Doomheim
#53 - 2013-04-14 16:21:43 UTC
they have to stay in hi-sec because they are basically pvp carebears
flakeys
Doomheim
#54 - 2013-04-14 16:23:53 UTC
Tasha Saisima wrote:
they have to stay in hi-sec because they are basically pvp carebears



The only place where they have a chance to kill something using less then 5 people. Lol

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#55 - 2013-04-14 16:46:45 UTC
To all the people discussing the risk (or what you feel is the lack thereof) for gankers/war deccers in highsec, the point I was trying to make in the first part is that in a lot of cases the risk the aggressor faces in low and null is pretty much the same. If a couple of people in stealth bombers go after a ratting bs or a mining barge in low/null the risk the ratter/miner poses to them isn't any greater than a ratter/miner in highsec

Which, to me, makes the "go to low/null" argument feel pretty silly, because being in low/null doesn't inherently make fights any fairer, anymore invited, or anything else.

More than a few highseccers seem to think that everyone in low/null are l33t pvpers who are itching for a fight 23.5/7 - that's not true, there are plenty of carebears there too (search "AFK Cloak" and you'll see just how many...), so to me all areas of space seem pretty much the same: There are soft targets everywhere, people who don't want me to kill them everywhere, people who surprise you and put up a good fight and even win sometimes everywhere, etc

The idea that one part of space is for pvp and another is for pve is wrong. That's not how the mechanics work, it never has been, it never SHOULD be. It's a massive, horrible misunderstanding that some players have.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#56 - 2013-04-14 17:12:17 UTC
Andski wrote:
the whole "lowsec/null are for PvP, hisec isn't" mentality is driven by CCP's coddling of the worst players in the game

until that coddling ends and they are less sheltered from the realities of eve that mentality will continue to be prevalent


Dictating the realities of EvE again?

The reality is, CCP cannot survive on alts forever, which means they need to bring in more new players. With the number of griefers in the game, CCP has no choice but to make it harder for them.

Easy to understand for a logical person.....Roll

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#57 - 2013-04-14 17:20:36 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
To all the people discussing the risk (or what you feel is the lack thereof) for gankers/war deccers in highsec, the point I was trying to make in the first part is that in a lot of cases the risk the aggressor faces in low and null is pretty much the same. If a couple of people in stealth bombers go after a ratting bs or a mining barge in low/null the risk the ratter/miner poses to them isn't any greater than a ratter/miner in highsec

Which, to me, makes the "go to low/null" argument feel pretty silly, because being in low/null doesn't inherently make fights any fairer, anymore invited, or anything else.

More than a few highseccers seem to think that everyone in low/null are l33t pvpers who are itching for a fight 23.5/7 - that's not true, there are plenty of carebears there too (search "AFK Cloak" and you'll see just how many...), so to me all areas of space seem pretty much the same: There are soft targets everywhere, people who don't want me to kill them everywhere, people who surprise you and put up a good fight and even win sometimes everywhere, etc

The idea that one part of space is for pvp and another is for pve is wrong. That's not how the mechanics work, it never has been, it never SHOULD be. It's a massive, horrible misunderstanding that some players have.


true but trying to say low is as safe as high for gankers is rubbish. in highsec few will shoot you even if you're red, partly because they don't understand PvP mechanics and all the timers freak them out, but mostly because they just don't care.

low sec is full of opportunists and campers. if you don't know how to deal with them then you're dead before you find a target. I suspect a lot of gankers and can flippers really don't which is why they hang out in high. and that's fine if that's what they enjoy but they are pretty much gank bears.

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Dave Stark
#58 - 2013-04-14 17:31:50 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Andski wrote:
the whole "lowsec/null are for PvP, hisec isn't" mentality is driven by CCP's coddling of the worst players in the game

until that coddling ends and they are less sheltered from the realities of eve that mentality will continue to be prevalent


Dictating the realities of EvE again?

The reality is, CCP cannot survive on alts forever, which means they need to bring in more new players. With the number of griefers in the game, CCP has no choice but to make it harder for them.

Easy to understand for a logical person.....Roll



seems eve has been doing fine living on alts for the last decade. a boast very few other MMOs can make.
Selene Nask
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2013-04-14 17:32:52 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
To all the people discussing the risk (or what you feel is the lack thereof) for gankers/war deccers in highsec, the point I was trying to make in the first part is that in a lot of cases the risk the aggressor faces in low and null is pretty much the same. If a couple of people in stealth bombers go after a ratting bs or a mining barge in low/null the risk the ratter/miner poses to them isn't any greater than a ratter/miner in highsec

Which, to me, makes the "go to low/null" argument feel pretty silly, because being in low/null doesn't inherently make fights any fairer, anymore invited, or anything else.

More than a few highseccers seem to think that everyone in low/null are l33t pvpers who are itching for a fight 23.5/7 - that's not true, there are plenty of carebears there too (search "AFK Cloak" and you'll see just how many...), so to me all areas of space seem pretty much the same: There are soft targets everywhere, people who don't want me to kill them everywhere, people who surprise you and put up a good fight and even win sometimes everywhere, etc

The idea that one part of space is for pvp and another is for pve is wrong. That's not how the mechanics work, it never has been, it never SHOULD be. It's a massive, horrible misunderstanding that some players have.


I understand what you mean. I spend about the same amount of time in low as I do in high with two different characters. My other one live permanently in a WH and doesn't pvp at all. Doesn't have the skills. The only time she spends out of the POS is hauling stuff and scanning and avoidance is the key. If she gets caught she is soft soft soft. I do PVP on my main but I'd say only about 25% of the time when I'm in low. I do other things and although I try to be as ready for it as possible avoidance in every way possible is the word of the day because I'm more then likely as you describe it in a 'softer' fitted ship because of tradeoffs. When I PVP I'm just as likely to be with someone else in a logi ship as well.

I guess technically I could be called a PVPer because I do it both proactively and reactively in low but I'm hardly some '24/7 in search of pvp' low sec citizen. Alot of the time my low sec 'pvp' is surviving till help comes or making an escape. lol Most of my corp mates are similar. PVP is great and fun but it's not everything or desired all of the time. (like when running low sec exploration sites)
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-04-14 17:41:56 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Andski wrote:
the whole "lowsec/null are for PvP, hisec isn't" mentality is driven by CCP's coddling of the worst players in the game

until that coddling ends and they are less sheltered from the realities of eve that mentality will continue to be prevalent


Dictating the realities of EvE again?

The reality is, CCP cannot survive on alts forever, which means they need to bring in more new players. With the number of griefers in the game, CCP has no choice but to make it harder for them.

Easy to understand for a logical person.....Roll



guess it's a good thing then that new players have been coming in for years just fine

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar