EVE General Discussion

I've pretty much just been in low sec for a long while and maybe i missed something.

But apparently -10 sec stat pirates are able to freely use high sec jump gates, gank at will and not even suffer concord intervention?

In high sec.

What am I missing, besides a ship, a clone and some stuff?

I make an absolutely delicious pot roast.

You could always shoot us.

Well the scenario was this: 7 thrashers come through a high sec gate, all brilliant red, all thrashers.
At the HIGH SEC gate they aggro my ship, blow it up and pod me since i'm actually dumbfounded by this.

So i wake up in the medbay and hey guess what, none of the perps show up as having lost so much as a ship.

I'm on the loss page at eve-kill but not one of the perps is.


I don't remember high sec being like this.

CONCORD doesn't have it's API properly set up on Eve-Kill

A few things...

- people who are "outlaws" (see: "-5.0 or lower security status") CAN use high-sec gates... but the Faction NPC Police (not CONCORD) will chase, harass, and kill them if they linger too long.

- "outlaws" can be shot at by anyone, anytime, anywhere without penalty or NPC intervention.

- because of the above two points, "outlaws" cannot travel "freely" through high-sec in anything larger than a frigate or destroyer. All it takes is one random neutral player to apply a warp disruptor at the wrong time so the NPC police can assure the destruction of the "outlaw's" ship.

- because of the last point... "outlaws" cannot get new ships and equipment from high-sec trading hubs... or they can't get them out of high-sec trading hubs at least. They require the assistance of a hauler (either a friend, an alt, or someone who wants to make money) to move equipment down into low-sec.

- in low-sec (0.4 to 0.1 space) there is no CONCORD or NPC Police. The only assistance you will ever get from NPCs will be stargate and station guns if anyone illegally aggresses you... but they can be tanked by large enough ships (note: frigates will die to station/gate guns in 1 or two shots... destroyers 3 to 5... cruisers take about 10+).

- In high-sec (1.0 to 0.5 space) you will ALWAYS be killed by CONCORD if you illegally aggress someone. To evade CONCORD and its punishment is officially considered an exploit.
-- if you attacker isn't CONCORDed then you were either at war with him/her or had an aggro timer with him/her (either a duel, you shot him/her, or you stole from his/her wrecks, or you stole from a jetcan.

- Just because someone appears red or blinky red on your overview, does not mean they are "outlaws." They could have just stolen from your wrecks and/or jetcan... in which case, they WANT you to attack them first (because they still can't attack you unless you do so).

edit:

Rest assured... they died. You were just killed too quickly to see them die. And NPCs don't post any killmails. Lossmails also don't show up unless a person has their API up... or post it manually.

Thanks for the killboard explanation. So they lost ships. The loses just doesn't show up on the KBs because they are NPC kills, similar to losses in a mission.

I knew i was missing something.

Thanks again.

But yeah, 7 thrashers can pop though a high sec gate, NOBODY scrams or shoots at them BTW and they work fast. I can look at the KB and see that every one of the pilots is -10 sec status.

7 equiped thrashers must cost more than a single Rupture though, what was the point of that? We are not at war and this was on a highsec to highsec gate.


I sure wish i was a smart as shahfluffers.

Since when do you put a price on "fun"?

It sounds like you were just unlucky dude. Wrong place, wrong time. Cost efficiency had nothing to do with it.

This tear-filled thread

I'm pretty sure I see where this is going and I'll just stop you here to say that CCP has already declared using programs to mimic inputs across multiple clients as "legal" (as long as a human is pushing the button)