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[Odyssey] Navy Battlecruisers

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marVLs
#301 - 2013-04-13 09:49:24 UTC
Navy Drake is for doing what old drake was before HM range nerf - drake sniping blobs.
But now it's not OP, because it have a little smaller DPS (no dam bonus but 1more launcher, and You are not limited to onlu kin) and it's not so OP tanky.
And with better agility it's even more nano drake than non faction.

So faction drake is for:
- drake sniping fleets
- nano drake

IMO it's really cool but... dat price... should be lower
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
#302 - 2013-04-13 09:55:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Walkuris
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Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#303 - 2013-04-13 14:26:43 UTC
I don't understand the dev team's logic for introducing Navy BC's.


Anytime players have put forward ideas or requests for them, it's always been met with: "Adding new ships for the sake of adding new ships is wrong, they need to have a defined role. We learnt from our mistakes with MoM's/Titans".

Which is where these new ships fall down, as I don't think they have that defined role which is allows for their inclusion.

Can someone at CCP please tell me what you think the role is that the Navy BC's are going to fill?
I QzQ
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#304 - 2013-04-13 15:50:48 UTC
So, at lvl 5 battlecruiser, navy missile will have 100m/s explosion speed. Which is only 4 times slower, than speed of crippled BS.
Good job. Significant increase of damage. So op. Gonna destroy this 4km/s frigs in three shot like other battlecruisers. NOT.
Kethry Avenger
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#305 - 2013-04-13 16:10:40 UTC
Overall I'm underwhelmed.

I would also prefer at 7th low versus a 5th mid for the Harby.

Or I would love a 6/4/8 Harby.

If your going to start taking away the laser cap use bonus, which I support, but only if you adjust the cap use of energy weapons as a whole which have not been adjusted as other weapons systems have been boosted over the years.

I should really never choose to want to use a Shield tank on a Amarr ship. It should always under preform compared to Armor on Amarr.
I QzQ
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#306 - 2013-04-13 16:39:40 UTC
So, lets assume, that explosion velocity bonus is considerable (which is not), what we have then?
An anti-frigate battlecruiser?
Can he compete with other battlecruisers in 1v1?
Is he needed in fleet?
May be it is good at PVE?
No its not.
Auris Vagyr
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#307 - 2013-04-13 17:28:51 UTC
Any word on what the materials will be for the various BPCs?
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#308 - 2013-04-13 17:32:17 UTC
It would be really nice if we could get gated BC plexes back so those of us in FW have a reason to fly these :(
Askulf Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#309 - 2013-04-13 17:40:50 UTC
chatgris wrote:
It would be really nice if we could get gated BC plexes back so those of us in FW have a reason to fly these :(


This this and this. Name them large and rename the current large to something like "open Complex" or something like that.
Nightfox BloodRaven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#310 - 2013-04-13 18:25:13 UTC
need more large plexes in FW or else no point fly these ships ..large plexes are far and few in FW.
Serenety Steel
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#311 - 2013-04-13 21:37:38 UTC
Regular corporation LP stores, 250,000 LPs plus 100 million ISK for 1 run blueprint copy (BPC)
FW Loyalty Point stores, blueprint offer: for 125,000 LPs plus 10m ISK for 1 run BPC


I dread the cost of these.......

.
Natasha Rachmaninova
Interminatus
#312 - 2013-04-14 00:45:32 UTC
Myrmidon! Myrmidon! Myrmidon! Myrmidon! Myrmidon! Myrmidon! Myrmidon! Myrmidon! Myrmidon! Myrmidon! Myrmidon! Myrmidon! Myrmidon! Myrmidon! Myrmidon! Myrmidon! Myrmidon! Myrmidon! Myrmidon! Myrmidon! Myrmidon! ... ... ...
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#313 - 2013-04-14 11:18:33 UTC
CCP
I would suggest reducing the drake missile velocity bonus to 5% to help prevent it affecting the caracals role of HM nano spam and to prevent the old drake blobs from forming again although nerfing the income of 0.0 alliances would help here.

Also tank is as good as attack battleships WHY????????

'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?  ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high

Nightfox BloodRaven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#314 - 2013-04-14 16:13:00 UTC
Ok let me break this down for you ..

Amarr
Prophecy
Absolution(Prophecy Hull)
Damnation(Prophecy Hull)

Navy (Harbinger) makes sense to show some love to harb here.

Caldari.
Nighthawk(Ferox Hull)
Vulture(Ferox Hull)

Navy (Drake) Make sense here too

Minmatar
Claymore(Cyclone hull)
Slepnir (Cyclone Hull)

Navy ( Cane) makes sense here too

Gallente
Astarte( Brutix hull)
Eos(Brutix hull)

Navy(Brutix) ...


wtf???? did u guys have a brain fart? .... every other race used a different hull then previously so that other battle cruiser hull not used in command ships get some love... but apparently u all hate the gallente...

As well you could say that well we already have the navy vexor so another drone boat is not needed..... lets see.. Navy Caracal and Navy drake are Identical in ship bonus and role.... so if you cant have a navy myrimdon you shouldnt have a navy drake by that logic.... also the Strength of Gallentes are DRONES!! ....

Honestly i hope you well re consider you decision and put a navy myrmidon on the field..
Solhild
Doomheim
#315 - 2013-04-14 21:54:18 UTC
Nightfox BloodRaven wrote:
Ok let me break this down for you ..

Amarr
Prophecy
Absolution(Prophecy Hull)
Damnation(Prophecy Hull)

Navy (Harbinger) makes sense to show some love to harb here.

Caldari.
Nighthawk(Ferox Hull)
Vulture(Ferox Hull)

Navy (Drake) Make sense here too

Minmatar
Claymore(Cyclone hull)
Slepnir (Cyclone Hull)

Navy ( Cane) makes sense here too

Gallente
Astarte( Brutix hull)
Eos(Brutix hull)

Navy(Brutix) ...


wtf???? did u guys have a brain fart? .... every other race used a different hull then previously so that other battle cruiser hull not used in command ships get some love... but apparently u all hate the gallente...

As well you could say that well we already have the navy vexor so another drone boat is not needed..... lets see.. Navy Caracal and Navy drake are Identical in ship bonus and role.... so if you cant have a navy myrimdon you shouldnt have a navy drake by that logic.... also the Strength of Gallentes are DRONES!! ....

Honestly i hope you well re consider you decision and put a navy myrmidon on the field..


I endorse this but have another suggestion:

Change field and fleet command hulls in each race to use the previous tier 1 and 2 hulls (been requested lots in the past - i.e. Field command uses Hurricane, Myrmidon etc.)
Add a new T2 command ship using the previous tier 3 BC, call this Grid Command - make this an on-grid only booster that does not use command mods - none required as the ship has boost built in, skill based of course!)
Introduce Navy/Fleet versions of all three BC hulls rather than one only.

So we then have:

Fleet Command T2 using former tier 1 hull
Field Command T2 using former tier 2 hull
Grid Command T2 using former tier 3 hull

plus 3 new Navy versions for each race, using each of the three hulls.

Enjoy balancing and have fun. Cool
Sylvous
Bigger than Jesus
#316 - 2013-04-14 23:33:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Sylvous
I am loving a few of these. The flexibility added to the drake makes it difficult to counter. Dat binger... wow. I wants it, though i see myself using the extra mid to keep cap coming more than anything else. Another wow on the brutix.

Which brings us to the cane....

Totally a pass on that.

Its like the old cane, only with less pg. Giving it the pg back would make up for not having gained a mid or a low slot (which I personally value more than a high slot gain, but that might just be me).

Anyhow, that's my 2 cents.

Edit: A 7th turret slot would make the 8th high slot make sense to me, also giving the navy cane "new" flavour over the current iteration much like all the other navy bc's got.
Askulf Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#317 - 2013-04-15 02:19:54 UTC
Sylvous wrote:


Edit: A 7th turret slot would make the 8th high slot make sense to me, also giving the navy cane "new" flavour over the current iteration much like all the other navy bc's got.


7 Turrets is a no, dual dmg bonus and 7 turrets proved to be extremely broken when they first tested the cane on the test server years and years ago. And by broken, I mean ******* really really broke.
Sylvous
Bigger than Jesus
#318 - 2013-04-15 02:55:40 UTC
Askulf Joringer wrote:
Sylvous wrote:


Edit: A 7th turret slot would make the 8th high slot make sense to me, also giving the navy cane "new" flavour over the current iteration much like all the other navy bc's got.


7 Turrets is a no, dual dmg bonus and 7 turrets proved to be extremely broken when they first tested the cane on the test server years and years ago. And by broken, I mean ******* really really broke.


I'll take your word for it sir,

Still I would like the cane returned in its entirety if that's the route CCP wants to go.
Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
#319 - 2013-04-15 04:43:20 UTC
Sylvous wrote:
Askulf Joringer wrote:
Sylvous wrote:


Edit: A 7th turret slot would make the 8th high slot make sense to me, also giving the navy cane "new" flavour over the current iteration much like all the other navy bc's got.


7 Turrets is a no, dual dmg bonus and 7 turrets proved to be extremely broken when they first tested the cane on the test server years and years ago. And by broken, I mean ******* really really broke.


I'll take your word for it sir,

Still I would like the cane returned in its entirety if that's the route CCP wants to go.


Aye, I rather them not claim it is the old cane returned when it quiet isn't. Just seems like a tease.
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#320 - 2013-04-15 12:49:32 UTC
ok, so basically, the devs took our canes away, and now, they just tell us, "get it back, at *3 the price"?

i won't buy what was mine, at 3x it's price, give us our cane back.

or i want 3x month game time for the price of one (see, i can do the same too)