Intergalactic Summit

I don't remember the last time I gave two damns or a **** to even bother making a an original post on the IGS. I normally wait for someone else to start the conversation and just jump in. But not this time. I've seen my home and its government do some stupid **** in the past. Sometimes stupid **** simply can't be avoided because well, we're human. It happens.

But this recent act of stupidity takes the gods damned cake.

As a citizen of an Empire which prides itself in a voice for everyone no matter race or creed, as a small part in a great melting pot that has become the Federation, I am posting this petition demanding, as a Gallentean, Federal citizen, and New Eden denizen, that the powers to be in the Federation immediately open dialogue with Republic diplomats to publicly show a willingness to begin open cooperation with OUR ALLIES to assist in what has happened.

Let me say this before I continue. I know some of you smug ass hats and nose up eggers are going to look down and say that I have no authority to demand anything but guess what? I simply do not give two simple FUCKS. I got nothing to prove to you so don't waste your time poking at that.

Now, back to the topic.

What happened in Caille was a tragedy. A lot of good people died at an event that was supposed to be peaceful and productive. I don't know what the hell that Gallente man who sprayed the crowd was thinking, but believe me when I say I wish I could wring the mother ******* neck. He killed people of both Nations. Both sides are hurting. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't at LEAST begin planning next steps together while the local government handles the situation.

Some people are going to say the Minmatar are to blame and that maybe a joint group would have been held prior to the RSS event. But let me post this in response; maybe the RSS situation wouldn't have happened if we had told the Republic SOME information to give them some hope?

"Oh but Gallenteans were hurt! We tend to them first!"
"The Republic should be patient!"
"They're acting like children demanding blablabla.."

Get the **** over yourselves.

This is the fact. A MINMATAR diplomat, regardless of Ray of Matar status or not, was harmed on OUR SOIL. It was the responsibility of the Federation to ensure that this diplomat was safe. Yeah that failed pretty badly. So you would think the next step would be to give some information to the Matari about the current situation and request that planning for a joint task force begin. It was our soil, but their diplomat. We should be working together. And it should have happened immediately. The local government was cleaning up and tending to wounded, but planning could have at least HAPPENED to let our supposed allies know that they're ALLIES and not children who need to wait for the adults to tell them news.

Which is exactly how it was handled.

Shakor demanded Karin be transported back to the Republic. But instead of using reasoning to tell him that it's dangerous, that it could kill her, and that we should plan a joint operation to investigate the situation and a collaboration between doctors to care for Midular in Federation space with Gallente AND Minmatar doctors, Roden simply said no.

No name was given of the killer, no face, no weapon, no information, no nothing.

And people wonder why the RSS got up in arms.

Yes Gallenteans are injured. That sucks. And they're being tended for. But there's nothing that would take away from THEM by planning with the Minmatar to help Midular. Not a gods damned thing to just PLAN IT. To just treat them as EQUALS and not pets.

I've been seeing this trend a lot on different planets and cities across the Fed that I won't bother rambling about here, but the fact that the government of the supposed 'melting pot' of the verse is acting like this is beyond words.

I don't care if it only happened a few hours after the event. We have enough people in the government to begin reaching across the aisle of stars to give our allies some hope and to start working together to plan future action.

But instead we pointed guns and told em to hit the road. That's ******* stupid.

Say what you want here about me positive or negative but like I said, 0 fucks given.

If you agree with me, post your support. Especially Federal citizens. This is our right and our voice. The government works for us, not the other way around. We the people have the right to demand this. So I'm demanding it.

Stop stone walling our allies and start working with them you sods.

EDIT: ADDITIONALLY, simply saying 'oh she's in a coma' does NOT count for jack. REAL information is on her vitals, current clinical condition, scans, mental disposition, electrochemical reactions still occurring, and current treatment and regiment plans. This shouldn't be given to the vast PUBLIC, but at LEAST to Minmatar doctors to work as a TEAM with Fed docs. That was, Republic citizens at least know action is being taken by BOTH parties.

Good use of respectful language Anslo. Nice format. Effective layout of your arguments and points.

I am sure they will listen to you and consider your request.

"Shakor demanded Karin be transported back to the Republic. But instead of using reasoning to tell him that it's dangerous, that it could kill her, and that we should plan a joint operation to investigate the situation and a collaboration between doctors to care for Midular in Federation space with Gallente AND Minmatar doctors, Roden simply said no."

He demanded and Roden just said no. No offer to calm them down. No reaching out to collaborate. Nothing. We told em to shove off and pointed guns at allies instead of reasoning with the Matari in the first place when the event occured.

And it might be crass and seemingly written by an 'adolescent,' but I prefer direct and very blunt ways of delivering my opinions.

Scientific issues are a different matter, like when discussing a patient or an experiment or something. But opinions? Blunt. Straight forward. No BS. We got politicians for that.

Remind me, my memory is fuzzy. Who took an armed fleet and breached who's space?

The party that launched the armed fleet.

Despite how many times you might fall off of a pole, you haven't pretended to be quite this stupid before. Are you concerned that the Sebiestor are too incompetent to advance their own cause? I admit the evidence on that front is compelling.

I'm just curious, why is it the Federation's responsibility? That is what you're implying. But why? Can you give a proper reason? Oh, the Federation is so cruel for pointing guns at their allies! We should have given them something, anything! This is what friends do!

Okay. And the RSS breached a border.

Oh! But the Federation should have been nicer! Been more diplomatic!

Why? Again, why is it the Federation's responsibility? Your claim that the Federation could have reached out is just as easily applied the other way. The Republic could have just waited a reasonable amount of time. Emotions were high, sure, but I'm pretty damn confident they were just as high for the Federation.

I'm not saying that some sort of proper diplomatic approach shouldn't be taken, that both sides shouldn't work together. I just want a real reason for why you think the Federation has to be the one to shoulder the burden and responsibility, be the one to account for it's actions.

I would think that securing the criminal as well as providing immediate medical assistance for all those who need it should be the immediate response. Number of casualties and wounded needs to be determined. The criminal needs to be sectioned off from contact with the outside world and questioned completely. Leads and information need to be established as fast as possible as the longer it takes, the faster the trail can grow cold. Time to analyze the situation is required, so that the responses that would very likely have happened do happen. Only they are as informative as possible, not substance lacking or incomplete. 24 hours is a reasonable amount of time. A solid collection of information and a proper, complete statement and invitation can be made in 24 hours. Questioning and proper medical assistance for all those involved can happen within 24 hours. Admittedly, longer than that and I would start to wonder what the priorities were.

The Federation wasn't even given 24 hours.

Sorry Anslo but your request is entirely wrong.

Who treats her shouldn't be a case of being there simply to tick a box. She should have the best care that is available to her, ethnicities be damned.

It's that kind of sentimental crap that risks her life for no gain to her well being. She's a human, not a political toy to be played with.

I don't often take part in these discussions, but I would like to ask a question.
Where is the citation that President Roden said a flat 'No' to Sanmatar Shakor over the movement.

The news article covering the fleet....
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/republic-security-services-stand-off-with-federation-navy-over-shooter/
as well as the article alleging to the meeting
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/former-minmatar-minister-caille-wounded/
Only spoke of them demanding immediate custody of the shooter.

The later article refered to the Medical Staff on Caille stating it would be too dangerous to move her in her current condition.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/karin-midular-in-coma-republic-demands-transfer/

So.... Have I missed a reference somewhere, or are people mixing up the two events significantly and attributing statements to the wrong people?

Shaman Surionen's request is reasonable.
It is right.
It ought to be done.