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Why is Gist large/x-large shield booster so much better than Pith ?

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Steve Spooner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-04-13 04:22:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Spooner
They both come from the respective faction equivalent escalation and yet the Pith modules are worth a fraction of the Gist variation and offers sub-par performance, so much so that even a Gist C is better than a Pith X. Why is that?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2013-04-13 04:31:10 UTC
Gist are more cap efficient. When looking at XL boosters, that's important. Pith are higher boost. When looking at, say, small and medium boosters, that's more important. Which is why Pithum A-type boosters (and Pithi A-types) are considerably more expensive than their Gist counterparts.
Steve Spooner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-04-13 04:33:05 UTC
I am aware of this and I am asking why was it created this way? Double cap cost for an extra ~200 in shield repairs hardly seems effective in comparison.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2013-04-13 05:31:08 UTC
Steve Spooner wrote:
I am aware of this and I am asking why was it created this way? Double cap cost for an extra ~200 in shield repairs hardly seems effective in comparison.


Well, it's the pattern of all the Gist/Pith boosters all the way up and down. Pith is always better for burst tank, Gist is always better for sustained tank. So depending on what you're looking for, one might be better than another.

Like I said, this pattern means that Gist looks better on the larger boosters while Pith looks better for smaller ones. They're all useful under the right circumstances of course. So, hey, variety. At least there's a difference between them, unlike Corpus and Centus.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#5 - 2013-04-13 05:31:35 UTC
I would imagine that someone was following a formula, and not looking at how balanced the end result would be.

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Dyphorus
Inritus Astrum
#6 - 2013-04-13 05:35:34 UTC
You'd rather they were exactly the same, what would be the point of that?

Like every thing else in eve. Tiers of performance. Everything has a bonus, and a draw back.
Steve Spooner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-04-13 08:37:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Spooner
I should clarify; why does a Gist A sell for 900 mill and drops from Angels rally point while the Pith A sells for 175 mill and drops from a Guristas rally point. Same slot and fitting, swap missiles for lasers, kinetic for EM and they're the same thing, except one is worth 6 times more because it is that much better than the other via double capacitor need for an extra 160 shields.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-04-13 08:49:39 UTC
Theyre not better, theyre different.

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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#9 - 2013-04-13 08:49:56 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Theyre not better, theyre different.


This.
Steve Spooner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-04-13 08:50:36 UTC
800 mill different? Like the difference between a Vindicator and a Federation Megathron?
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#11 - 2013-04-13 09:11:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Merin Ryskin
The key difference is that 99% of the market for high-end faction shield boosters is carebears, and most carebearing demands long-term cap stability but doesn't need absolute maximum tank. The reason to invest in high-end tank isn't to survive a level 4 mission (which you can do with T2 modules on a T1 battleship), it's to improve your cap efficiency so you can replace cap modules with more damage. So pith stuff doesn't help much, while gist stuff helps a ton.

If a meaningful number of pvp players could afford to fit faction boosters then you'd probably see more parity between the two, since the pith ones are ideal for pvp (unless you're using an ASB instead).
Seraph Castillon
In Control
Neon Nightmares
#12 - 2013-04-13 09:55:56 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
If a meaningful number of pvp players could afford to fit faction boosters then you'd probably see more parity between the two, since the pith ones are ideal for pvp (unless you're using an ASB instead).


Well, no. If the price dropped enough for the module to become cost-effective for PvP purposes then players would fit them to their PvP ships.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#13 - 2013-04-13 11:27:27 UTC
Pfft. Tank goes in the high slots!
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#14 - 2013-04-13 11:34:13 UTC
There's just higher demand for one really.

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Postitute
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-04-13 12:58:05 UTC
Perma-tanking - that's the difference. The lower cap usage of the Gist boosters allows cearbears to turn the booster on and leave it on during missions - no need to worry about pulsing.

Perma-tanking in lvl 4 missions has a huge appeal to a large population of mission runners out there and the gist boosters are one of the only ways you can get there. The T2 and Pith boosters will use a lot more cap than the ship can naturally produce if their left on all the time. Since people want to use the minimum number of cap-increasing mods on their ships (as was Zhila saying), they go with the booster that will produce enough tank for a lvl 4 mission, and not burn out the capacitor.
Storm Novah
Yada Industries
#16 - 2013-04-13 14:36:35 UTC
Steve Spooner wrote:
800 mill different? Like the difference between a Vindicator and a Federation Megathron?

Its economics 101... supply and demand. Many people prefer cap stable perma-run tanks. For that reason something that saves you cap is of extremely high value and most people will either pay the price or fit a different ship.
Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#17 - 2013-04-13 15:20:57 UTC
The uninformed carebears absolutely cream themselves when they achieve cap-stable tanks which is the main reason for the Gist boosters being so obscenely expensive. Though anyone with half a brain knows that L4s are so easy you just blast everything away with high dps and run a burst tank. I actually never bought a Gist booster, I usually run CN/DG boosters cause they give more burst tank and lower fittings, Pith C is as high as I'll go for L4s.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#18 - 2013-04-13 16:41:48 UTC
Steve Spooner wrote:
I should clarify; why does a Gist A sell for 900 mill and drops from Angels rally point while the Pith A sells for 175 mill and drops from a Guristas rally point. Same slot and fitting, swap missiles for lasers, kinetic for EM and they're the same thing, except one is worth 6 times more because it is that much better than the other via double capacitor need for an extra 160 shields.


They're actually not the same on fitting; check that again. In fact, part of the reason the Pith gets knocked on price is that, like all Pith mods, it's hard on CPU.

But the main reason is that people -- lots of people, many of whom would never venture out of high sec and don't care at all about where mods come from other than "Jita, right?" -- want to permatank their CNRs or whatever. Not a **** is given that they come from nearly identical sites.
Katsami
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
Crimson Inquisicion
#19 - 2013-04-13 20:46:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Katsami
Perma-tanking setups are simply isk/hour inefficient because the mods required will neuter your ability to fit damage rigs, tracking comps [I don't roll a Varg with less than 2], etc. Gist are literally an afk mod.
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#20 - 2013-04-13 21:15:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Kasutra
Due to the number of mentions of Gist boosters being for uninformed carebear hisec noobs trying to permatank, I'd like to point out that going for cap-efficient modules doesn't necessarily mean you're going for a slot-inefficient permatank. It might mean you're trying to get away with fewer cap mods (even down to none) without dropping below minimum acceptable tank.
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