Ships & Modules

tbh i think it's a same case as the micro cap boosters , no one says anything because no one ever uses them ( i honestly can't remember last time i saw a wreath.)

I think they will go in the direction that the mining barges went.
One industrial for big tank but very little cargohold.
One industrial with small tank, medium cargohold but good warpspeed and aligntime.
One industrial with small tank, big cargo hold and medium speed and aligntime.

and then of course the t2 versions, which will likely keep their individual specialties.
One cloaky
One with inbuild warp core stabs. (maybe this one might get additional bubble immunity to actually be useful in 0.0 and w-space as an alternative to the cloaky one)

Two things:

The certificates are a feature I have never looked at or activated on any of my characters. If you can't be arsed to look up all the skill and skill descriptions and make your own decisions about what you need to fly a ship, and then what you need to fly it well, then you probably have no business playing this game. Eve went along fine before these things were introduced and does fine without even bothering with them.

It is partially for the reason you cite that I never bothered with these things. Of course one does not need or even have to have it recommended to use active shield tanking on an industrial. Slap a little buffer on it to survive the weak hi sec rat agro and then warp out. For a pvp gank the active tank is useless and for any heavier pve agro have a logi or some other ships to kill the rat.

Besides the ignorance of the dev that created that recommendation, it may have been an attempt to set you up for the wonderful active shield tanking bonus on the Prowler. You know those other ships where an active shield tank is also very useful. So useful that they gave it a bonus for active shield tanking.

So unless this same stupid racial tanking mentality has finally become a thing of the past, prepare yourself for rebalanced industrials with an even better bonus, active armor tanking. You see some of the blockade runners already have this. It has figuratively already saved over 9000 Prorators and Viators from certain death. It's a good thing the devs viewed the game and the ships in the game through the racial backstory screen. We wouldn't want them balancing the ships around a role. I mean what would the game be like if we didn't see active armor tanking Gallente BCs everywhere in combat? What if they only were good for station docking games or mythical one on one duels with honorable opponents who tell all their buddies to stay out of it?

I know I want to undock in an amarr or gallente industrial that will have few mid slots but lots of lows and a bonus to active armor tanking. That industrial should also probably have a small base cargo capacity to be fair to shield tanking races because those lows will be fitted with expanders and then the one armor repper that will keep it safe. Who would ever view this entire ship class as lows and rigs for cargo capacity and mids for prop and shield tank or defensive ewar? No, the backstory is what determines the function and fittings of ships.

If you think it's bad, look at Transport ship bonuses, and at DST class as a whole.

CCP, however, promised to rebalance and tiericide industrials. Eventually...

You laugh at hull tanking until you survive a fight with 10-20% hull. Also a number of non combat ship hull tank pretty well....

Well this will work fine for minmatar, but your going to need 2 more roles for gallente. I reckon they should make 1 Iteron that gets progressively longer with each level of industrial skill. Those hauler chicks will go crazy for the freakishly long MkV.

And the Wreath is fine for it's job, which is, solely, moving a rifter and some junk away from the tutorial missions and being swiftly reprocessed.

edit I actualy hope indies don't get tiercided, having some pointless industrials kicking around adds a bit of depth to eve in a strange kind of way.

i spent a fair amount of time training for the best by far industrial - the iteron 5, and i would be quite upset if they nerfed it