EVE General Discussion

Sorry to see you go Grendel. You were really fun to fly with and I will always love you :,(

My point was that you can do this for quite some time and have L5 skills and still lose. That its not all about the skill points, and that at some point you need to get in there. Not sure why that didnt come out clearer to you.


With this character I knew exactly what I was getting into and so I built him exclusively for low sec and FW. I joined an 8 year old in game friend of mine so we could fly together again like when we first started out. But what I more wanted to show was that early on he will need friends to learn from and help him out in what hes doing rather than trying most things solo.

For someone who speak so condescendingly about illiteracy, your spelling is extremely poor, glass houses, hypocrisy, pot-kettle black etc etc.

In response to whatever nonsense that was you just wrote, you said as if that were CCP or the game mechanics fault. Why should a new player feel so entitled to a high SP character without forking out a load of plexes? You say it as if it a newbies god given right to get a decent pilot without spending a dime. I think you should learn to read and structure coherent thoughts before you post any further.

Agree with OP - skills do take incredible time to complete to some usefulness. And directing new players to character bazaar is simply hypocrisy at least.

Even a low-skilled player can be incredibly useful when working in a group.

My main can't PvP to save her life, yet she can do basic scanning, and so is very handy at finding wormholes, sitting on the the hole spamming d-scan and keeping her eyes open while the rest of the crew run a couple of anoms and huff all the Ladar sites.

I made more isk last night in 4 hours doing that than I would in 3 or 4 nights of running low-level missions.

TL-DR: All characters can be useful from day 1, with a little organization between players.

Telling a new player to sit on a gate/WH spamming a button, isn't really a good selling point for getting people into the game.

Don't get me wrong, if you enjoy doing it then all power to you. However running l1-l2s and spamming a button sounds equally mind-numbing.

Really CCP needs to revert back to the starting professions and 900k-1m SP . Allowing new players to get into the game quicker, and not having to waste time with crap skills early on. The current system only favors alts.

What I think a lot of you posters are missing is that he's only been playing a month. He doesn't CARE about EVE the way some of you, with years invested into the game, do. The game has to offer him something. That's why he pays for it. If all he gets is his ass kicked, he has no reason to continue playing. To suggest that he pay for several months and just log in to update his skill queue is not something that will make any sense to a new player, not one that is interested in actually playing the game. Not everyone wants to sit and fantasize about killing others in a video game for 3 or 4 months while their character is cooking. You might as well be suggesting he go pay for phone service but not make any phone calls.

Those of you who would suggest that he has to go through the same stage of impotence that everyone else had to go through are missing the fact that the game isn't the same as it used to be. When many of you started, there weren't any 100 million skillpoint players. There weren't hordes of Tech II and Tech III ships. There wasn't the same level of refinement to the gameplay. Jumping in a Rifter and flying into low sec is just one style of play, and honestly, that just won't get it done, anymore, no matter how many fluke scenarios you reference where some Ibis killed an AFK Machariel.

We all know that new players have to make trade-offs, but really, what trade-offs do older players have to make? Isn't the whole leveling aspect of MMOs exactly the acquisition of advantage over other players? In other MMOs the price of leveling is effort, but in EVE, it is time, and as EVE goes on, that price for new players just gets higher and higher.

If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it.

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