EVE General Discussion

so after a month or so, i've decided eve is not for me.

i have had some fun playing eve for sure, the scale of the game is cool, the variety of ships/fittings and the different career paths are all really cool.

the main reason is that it just seems like such a massive wait to do certain things. well, not even certain things, everything. i've just spent the last few days not playing the game cause i was bored of getting pwned in FW with my tier 1 guns and had to wait 5 days to train up for tier 2s. and people in game tell me that is tiny compared to what you'll be waiting later on. i just don't have the patience for something like this.

this whole real time skill system seemed cool at the start, training skills while you can do other things! brilliant! just what i want from an online game! or so i thought. even though people complain about "the grind" in mmogs, we secretly love it because it allows to quickly get to a point in a game skill/experience/money wise. if you put in some effort, you can get results. the eve skill system has no grind and no effort. just waiting, with no possibility to speed things up (yes i know implants can help). it's just incredibly frustrating to have to wait like this.

i think eve is an amazing game in many respects and with all this new dust link up, i think it is really revolutionizing gaming for sure. but the whole skill thing is a massive turn off for me and i would imagine lots of other new players.

anyway, rant over. i hope it doesn't read like a ragequit whinge thread. honestly trying to give some constructive feedback. and i'm sure this has been done to death many times before anyway.

fly safe!

Yep. Some folks will tell you EVE is "slow paced", but after years of playing it I came to a conclusion that continental drift is slow paced. EVE is just absurd.



Again, yep. It's been pointed out to them on a regular basis for...oh...I don't know, the last six years at least? Maybe more? It's also one of the most-often quoted reasons for people leaving the game. I've seen it myself, last time when they added "time to train" line to the ship descriptions. I lured someone into the game, only to see him browse ships, say wow, those look cool, how long before I can fly one? I told him to click info and open the requirements. And requirements page said something like 130 days (can't remember if it was a marauder or a capital or what). At which point the dude laughed out loud, got up and walked away. Let's be honest here, some of us had relationships that didn't last that long. And this is supposedly a game.



Indeed. And so far, it's been falling on deaf ears. But hey, maybe 28901721786th time is the charm!

The character bazaar is an alternative to the more tactical planning aspect of character development. But you're overlooking some of the better aspects of the slow progression system.

1. There is a cap on the amount of skillpoints that can effectively contribute to a role; depending on the fittings and setup of the ship. If you are flying an EWAR frigate, for example, with the recommended / required skills trained that contribute to the fit, you will do that equally well to somebody who has been playing for 10 years and has Caldari Titan to V. Of course, you won't fly a Titan yet.

2. You have a lot of flexibility in what you do and where you go. You should, in theory, never fly a ship you can't afford to lose and as your earning capacity goes up so does the size and scope of the ships you can fly as well as the skills you need to fly them.

3. What happens in a Battleship versus Rifterlings match up? Does that make a battleship better or worse than a Rifter? (I should say Kestrel like a good Caldari citizen) There is a value in all sizes of ships; just because a Titan is bigger it's not automatically better. You can play a number of different and valuable roles even with smaller ships. You can be a trader, a miner, an explorer or fill a variety of combat roles with a very small amount of training.

In any event, sorry to hear this wasn't for you. Whilst perhaps a bit faster you will find a similar barrier in other MMOs as well as you don't automatically start with a maximum level character in end-game gear. And yes, you can accelerate your experience gain by playing more frequently; but then you also don't gain experience while you're sleeping

Good luck, mate!

Because everyone can spend 10bil isk on buying a character after 1 month of playing without buying loads of plexes.

You just solved the problem for yourself.

Trolling removed. - ISD Cyberdyne

I trained a character specially for FW and low sec work for over a year before I even touched him or did more than undock in a noob ship with him. Guess what? I still lose ships but I make a few kills here and there. I also still need more skills for different fleet fits and ships. Its never ending.

The key is to enjoy learning and youll lose ships more often than not. Tbh I think the hardcore PvP mode gamer is the hardest hit by the way Eve is early on. In some cases the optimal pathway to PvP isnt to dive right in, well solo at least, but to build a base of PvE and other game mechanics knowledge in the time it takes to train the necessary skills.

Now non-solo? Entirely different animal. Find a few friends and youll be killing things nicely. But to expect, off the bat, to experience great success solo without the requisite L5 skills and in depth knowledge of the game isnt imo realistic. Id suggest you find a few friends to fly with early on, 2 or 3, is all youll need to start getting in on the action. But thats tough to find people that will want you to fly with them and help you out.

But hey thats life and I guess youve made your decision already. Good luck.

I suggest you take your own advise if you have nothing to add to this topic.

He actually HAS been doing that, from the looks of his killboard - just not with much success. IMO, he is incorrect in attributing that to a shortage of skillpoints.

You can't fault him on the initiative front, though.

So CCP should give you a high SP toon for free? I don't understand what everyone is whining about, you're knew to the game, you start by picking up dogshit and progress your way up, like everyone else did. If you don't have the patience for it....no one cares, pick a new game.

Flying solo is hard. As a newbie you won't know what ships can kill yours, and how to effectively pilot your own such that you can win fights you do have a chance at. There are tons of players who start PVPing when they already have the bells and whistles (all t2 everything, etc) and still die often.

I looked through your losses on eve-kill and you seem to have been dying exclusively in AC thrashers.

-You never had a warp disruptor or scrambler, which means that even if you get the advantage in a fight, you won't be able to hold the target down
-A good half of your losses involve things like sensor backup arrays and warp core stabs in your low slots.
-Most of your fights are with things you couldn't possibly hope to kill in a t1 destroyer, like t2 cruisers, but you didn't use your superior speed to avoid said fights.
-You used flat t1 stuff. You can get most of the performance of T2 at a tiny fraction of the cost by using meta modules

I saw one or two KMs where you had a chance of coming out ahead had your fit been all T2. Everything else was because of things completely related to the number of skillpoints you have.

You're making the same mistake that tons of other newbies have in the past, and that is using your SP # as a crutch and an excuse. Lastly and most importantly you're trying to learn a game that is both complicated and group-focused, alone.