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Multi-Boxing Incursion Vanguard sites w/ ISBoxer

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Nifter Telfo
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2013-04-12 12:42:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Nifter Telfo
Thanks for uploading this! I was actually planning on doing the same thing this summer, but sadly got bored of EVE before I subbed all the extra accounts.

I ran the number on this if people are curious.
You need about 2 months on each new account to get them ready for incursions. You could cut it down to 1 month if you're only trainning battleship pilots, but it's not advisable. Skills are just too low across the board in that case. You'll need a minimum of 2 months for the logistics pilots and off grid booster.

As for costs. Use buddy account promotions. That gives each account 4 months + 21 days for the price of $39 USD each (if you use the bonus PLEX as game time). Which comes down to ~$8.5 per month, which is a pretty good deal. Assuming you have 2 accounts already. 10 extra accounts nets you ~$400. Unless you have a lot of ISK, you will probably have to spend the bonus plexes on ISK in order to afford the battleships for each account though.

I have not tested how many clients you could run on one PC. I know 6 shouldn't be too big of a problem. I have a couple of PCs for working from home, so that's not an issue for me, but if it turns out that your PC is not powerful enough for 12 clients, another one will probably net you about $600.

As for internet bandwidth. Making a quick check on a single client showed really tiny upload amounts (~10 KBps), so your internet connection shouldn't be an issue even with ****** 512 KBps upload. Download is always higher and will definitely suffice unless you're sitting on dial up.

Once everyone's trained up, you should be able to coast with a plex for each in about 10-15 hours time. Assuming an average of 2 hours of gaming per day. You should be able to pay for all accounts in game in a week, and the next 3 weeks should be free. At which point you can start saving up for 22 accounts to run the Assault incursions.

Anything below 12 accounts is not worth it in terms of the hourly wage you would get at work, and you're better off just working an extra hour and buying plex to sell in game. 50 mill ISK per hour per accounts * 12 = ~1 plex per hour.

EDIT: Oh, forgot to mention that you should either have a stockpile of emergency ISK, or be prepared to buy and sell about $60 worth of plexes in case you lose connection. Since all of your accounts are going through the same connection. All of them will be disconnected at once. Blink
Jess Maine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-04-12 12:45:32 UTC
culo duro wrote:
So why is it people hate ISBoxer?


It almost kills what an MMO is supposed to be about, the social aspect of finding pilots making friends and enemies along the way and completing or overcoming challenges with other pilots. Theres reasons why MMO's structure some of their content around player numbers or requiring a synergy ot different roles to complete an objective. Doing all of these by yourself means your not meeting anyone in the EVE Universe and your not having any impact on content generation.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#43 - 2013-04-12 14:38:03 UTC
Jess Maine wrote:
culo duro wrote:
So why is it people hate ISBoxer?


It almost kills what an MMO is supposed to be about, the social aspect of finding pilots making friends and enemies along the way and completing or overcoming challenges with other pilots. Theres reasons why MMO's structure some of their content around player numbers or requiring a synergy ot different roles to complete an objective. Doing all of these by yourself means your not meeting anyone in the EVE Universe and your not having any impact on content generation.



That sounds like a load of bull. MMO stands for massive multiplayer online, not massive multiplayer online who all have to hug and be friends.

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l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#44 - 2013-04-12 15:12:18 UTC
culo duro wrote:
So why is it people hate ISBoxer?

Instead of doing X klicks for X accounts, you only need to do 1 klick for X account. That means you save X -1 clicks.

The bot creates something out of no human player interaction.
The "normal" user creates something out of one human player interaction.
The IS Boxer creates X-1 out of one human player interaction.

They got the same feeling to the extra IS Boxer Chars as to a bot. They feel betrayed.

Do you get what i am trying to say? It's hard to write down what i got in mind.

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xarjin
International Speciality Machines
#45 - 2013-04-12 16:04:20 UTC
Jess Maine wrote:
culo duro wrote:
So why is it people hate ISBoxer?


It almost kills what an MMO is supposed to be about, the social aspect of finding pilots making friends and enemies along the way and completing or overcoming challenges with other pilots. Theres reasons why MMO's structure some of their content around player numbers or requiring a synergy ot different roles to complete an objective. Doing all of these by yourself means your not meeting anyone in the EVE Universe and your not having any impact on content generation.


Some folks would just rather enjoy a technical challenge than have to deal with an often volatile and unreliable social challenge.
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-04-12 16:44:50 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
culo duro wrote:
So why is it people hate ISBoxer?

Instead of doing X klicks for X accounts, you only need to do 1 klick for X account. That means you save X -1 clicks.

The bot creates something out of no human player interaction.
The "normal" user creates something out of one human player interaction.
The IS Boxer creates X-1 out of one human player interaction.

They got the same feeling to the extra IS Boxer Chars as to a bot. They feel betrayed.

Do you get what i am trying to say? It's hard to write down what i got in mind.


Not the way i use it. I manually control all of my logi for pvp, and manually control my dps aswell.

I just can't see a more optimal way of doing it even with such a program, but it helps having a video feed in a small size over 3 monitors over having x amount of monitors to support everything.

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 

Randi Fleetstalker
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-04-12 17:08:24 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
culo duro wrote:
So why is it people hate ISBoxer?

Instead of doing X klicks for X accounts, you only need to do 1 klick for X account. That means you save X -1 clicks.

The bot creates something out of no human player interaction.
The "normal" user creates something out of one human player interaction.
The IS Boxer creates X-1 out of one human player interaction.

They got the same feeling to the extra IS Boxer Chars as to a bot. They feel betrayed.

Do you get what i am trying to say? It's hard to write down what i got in mind.

I assure you, multiboxers get what you're saying about being able to control more than one character with the same button.

Some people feel cheated when they see that someone is able to accomplish more than them, for any reason. But just because you feel this way doesn't actually turn it into a bot and I think you and others who feel this way would probably do better if you can express yourselves without comparing multiboxing to botting, because it's simply not the same thing.

For example...

The biggest thing you might get out of botting is time to spend doing something else. You might argue "no, the biggest thing you get out of botting is a billion ISK" or so on, but that's not the truth, you could get the same billion ISK without the bot, you just have to actually be at the keys playing the game. With a bot, you let your bot do it just so you can get a billion ISK without spending that time in the game yourself. I spent a lot of time in the 90s botting MUDs and developing and selling bots for them, and bots were almost exclusively used to play catch-up in order to play with friends or adventure to the next cool area.

A multiboxer on the other hand is not interested in removing himself from the game... Just the opposite: he's trying to be a bigger part of the game. You can argue that the multiboxer is injecting additional time into the game as compared to a player with 1 account, and a botter is also likely injecting additional time into the game as compared to a typical player, but that's about where the direct comparison ends.


So I'm not saying that it's wrong for a player to somehow feel betrayed by this, that's an okay feeling to have. It's just not the same as botting. ;)
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#48 - 2013-04-12 17:35:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
Awesome, nicely done, keep it up!

To the haters, CCP has made it clear that this is fine. They love all that extra cash from multiple accounts! Lol

No human at the computer = bad. Human at the computer = good. Get it through your head already.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#49 - 2013-04-12 18:02:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarsas Phage
Jess Maine wrote:

It almost kills what an MMO is supposed to be about, the social aspect of finding pilots making friends and enemies along the way and completing or overcoming challenges with other pilots.


Fair point, but with a ISboxer, there's still a human to interact with, whereas a traditional "real" bot isn't such a thing.

I'd say that someone with n accounts under ISboxer is more liable to create in-game situations and experiences (as in, content experiences) which otherwise wouldn't have occurred.
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
#50 - 2013-04-12 22:48:56 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Roime wrote:
Ban ISBotters
They already do.


This is true. All botters who use bots based on Inner Space, the engine that runs ISBoxer, receive bans. In fact, those caught using these Inner Space-powered bots receive permanent bans for the first offense due to the use of code injection, which is considered a breach of the Terms of Service (point 21).

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-04-12 23:07:39 UTC
Can't get enough of the butthurt "Ban people using multi accounts. Ban ISboxer, Ban anyone who makes more money than me" Posts in this thread. Already gone through a 2L of Jergins and 3 packs of tissues.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#52 - 2013-04-12 23:13:17 UTC
Randi Fleetstalker wrote:

For example...

The biggest thing you might get out of botting is time to spend doing something else. You might argue "no, the biggest thing you get out of botting is a billion ISK" or so on, but that's not the truth, you could get the same billion ISK without the bot, you just have to actually be at the keys playing the game. With a bot, you let your bot do it just so you can get a billion ISK without spending that time in the game yourself. I spent a lot of time in the 90s botting MUDs and developing and selling bots for them, and bots were almost exclusively used to play catch-up in order to play with friends or adventure to the next cool area.


No mate, the biggest thing you get out of a bot is to spend less time doing something to get Y amount of ISK.

To get Y you need to do Z amount of ingame commands.
Isboxer: do Z / X amound of imgame commands. (x == amount of chars manage by IS boxer)

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#53 - 2013-04-12 23:19:24 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
Randi Fleetstalker wrote:

For example...

The biggest thing you might get out of botting is time to spend doing something else. You might argue "no, the biggest thing you get out of botting is a billion ISK" or so on, but that's not the truth, you could get the same billion ISK without the bot, you just have to actually be at the keys playing the game. With a bot, you let your bot do it just so you can get a billion ISK without spending that time in the game yourself. I spent a lot of time in the 90s botting MUDs and developing and selling bots for them, and bots were almost exclusively used to play catch-up in order to play with friends or adventure to the next cool area.


No mate, the biggest thing you get out of a bot is to spend less time doing something to get Y amount of ISK.

To get Y you need to do Z amount of ingame commands.
Isboxer: do Z / X amound of imgame commands. (x == amount of chars manage by IS boxer)



I was told there'd be no math.


There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Jess Maine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-04-13 00:18:36 UTC
xarjin wrote:
Jess Maine wrote:
culo duro wrote:
So why is it people hate ISBoxer?


It almost kills what an MMO is supposed to be about, the social aspect of finding pilots making friends and enemies along the way and completing or overcoming challenges with other pilots. Theres reasons why MMO's structure some of their content around player numbers or requiring a synergy ot different roles to complete an objective. Doing all of these by yourself means your not meeting anyone in the EVE Universe and your not having any impact on content generation.


Some folks would just rather enjoy a technical challenge than have to deal with an often volatile and unreliable social challenge.


Thats just one of the challenges that shouldn't easily overcome by just having more cash to pay for subs. Your going to meet volatile and unsocialable pilots in EVE, thats just how personalities go. If you simply didn't want the convinience of being anti-social and having no impact on the game that you should do missions, since thats what they were designed for - ultimate solitude while making a very small living.

It's the price you pay for not making waves in the EVE universe because most multboxers do what they do for self gain and thus contribute absoloutely nothing to the sandbox.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2013-04-13 00:22:55 UTC
Jess Maine wrote:

It's the price you pay for not making waves in the EVE universe because most multboxers do what they do for self gain and thus contribute absoloutely nothing to the sandbox.


So like your alliance?

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-04-13 02:07:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
I make my ISK using market ''tools'' so I'd not be intrested in using ISO box to grind ISK or PVE.

I am considering using it for the purpose of controlling 20 or so noob acounts runing through a proxy so I can use noob accounts to sucide gank in high sec. That way with 10 to 20 accounts on 14 day trials I should be able to take down a freighter on my own and not have to worry about sec status? Has any one had any experince using this and is it EULA legal?


Though not usally bannable, I've heard that CCP frowns heavily on creating throwaway characters to gank.

Though I could not point to a single instance where somoene has been banned for it.

Actually, from my understanding, you can only have one trial account per IP running at once.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-04-13 02:09:32 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Already gone through a 2L of Jergins and 3 packs of tissues.


Real men use spit and a dirty sock.

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Cazador 64
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-04-13 02:12:48 UTC
Good work bro I am jelly.
Wish I could do this.
Stonecrusher Mortlock
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-04-13 05:23:28 UTC
im kinda said, you need to get this stream lined so the goon's can adopt it anduse all that tech isk to use plex to fund entier fleets ran by 5 guys.


1 FC with the DPS ships, 4 on logi.


o the tears just think you wont even need other people any more. just your ceo and his 5 best friends.
Dread SinJin
Heisenberg Productions
#60 - 2013-04-13 05:26:42 UTC
This is posted by a allince who has been accused and found guilty of RMT