Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Projectiles are only good when you don't need a weapon in the first place...

Hyperion: Min/Max DPS output and tanking stats look nice, but that's about where it ends. Just take a look at a graph of capacitor levels, and you'll see a ship that is anything but friendly to fly. Its not even that it requires a lot of cap, but that the fluctuations are massive and as soon as it hits zero, it dies. In addition to managing that, the user has to closely manage range and transversal just to get a solid hit on the opponent. To sum it up, the high DPS output is offset by bad damage application, and the high DPS tank is offset by horrible capacitor issues. I wouldn't want to fly this unless I had a massive cap transfer and I'm shooting something big and slow that can't blow me out of the water. Even then, there are other ships which would have similar DPS numbers without as many usability issues.

Megathron: LOVE the eighth low slot and the tracking bonus. I don't love the meager CPU bonus that probably won't cover the added module in that 8th low. I also don't care for the reduction in drone bandwith/capacity. A set of Ogre IIs gave the Megathron that added punch when it came to broadsiding other battleships. Don't want to go with drones? Make it hit harder. This is a significant damage nerf to a battleship whose only hope of winning is going literally toe to toe with its competition.

Domi: What? Ok, I get that you want it to be a dedicated drone boat. You've already turned other battleships (Armageddon and Rattlesnake) into dedicated drone boats with their bonuses, bandwidth, and drone bays. So it makes sense that you want a way for the Domi to stand out among them. Drone optimal range and tracking will indeed help in regards to sentries and damage application, but I feel like there's a lot more you can do with a battleship sized hull here. If you want better drone damage application, I would do that with something smaller like the myrmidon. The local armor rep amount bonus would work well here since the domi doesn't have to worry as much about MWD and feeding blasters as the hyperion does. I'd go one step further though. I would opt for a local AND REMOTE armor rep amount bonus. This would give the player a choice between a relatively tough active armor tanked drone boat, or a more fleet friendly remote repping drone boat. With this change, I would almost be afraid of the domi.

really ccp stop messing around with gallente ships

Why are people talking like the mega has been buffed? It hasn't, it has the same dps and tank of the old mega, but no utility slot for a neut or whatever else you want to throw in there. If you're going to keep it like this, at least give it the 125 bandwidth back so that we're getting more dps with the advantage of an eighth low slot, instead of using it to just get it back to where it is now.

Depends really. Post patch mega will have more turret dps with the same tank and less drone dps. With the travel time of heavy drones it will actually be a buff in terms of applied dmg in the vast majority of situations. The ship is also faster and more agile than it was before, which while not significant is still an advantage that many of the people posting are seeming to totally forget about.

I'm not totally against your idea of giving it a bit of it's bandwidth back, however I think limiting it to 100m3 is probably the best avenue of approach.

-Hype: pretty nasty buff, but it will be still a niche ship cause armor brawling is really bad atm. You can use it for small gang, but you re gonna waste a bonus.

-Mega: i too miss the utility (and no, was not a waste at all) BUT it s still better compared to the old Mega for brawling (more dps on your tracking bonused guns, better buffer or active tank) and you can even drop an high slot and put a SB or neut and it will still be better. The only issue it has in common with the old one is the cap, which is still **** if you want full tackle (and you want full tackle if you re gonna brawl in it).

-Domi: bonus for large guns was terrible unless for gank fits, so, not much of a loss (and btw you can still fit the ship for gank and do more dps compared to before so). But i would really like a tracking and mwd speed bonus to drones per lvl, not optimal/tracking. Right now is too much oriented for fleets/pve and sentry abuse

Do you really underst how dumb what you just said is?
Old dps: 5 garde/ogre II's, 50% damage bonus, 6 Neutron IIs, 25% damage bonus
New dps: 5 garde/ogre II's, 50% damage bonus, 6 neutron IIs, no damage bonus.

We're talking:
Old dps on solo/duo pvp fit: 1537 (Void, Ogre IIs, not overheating)
New dps on solo/duo pvp fit: 1368 (Void, Ogre IIs, not overheating)

So, please, do explain to me, how with a massive damage bonus removed, that drops dps by ~170, how you can make it do MORE dps?

I'll just reiterate my stance that the drone tracking and range bonus is not the [main] problem here. It's the Armageddon.

At close range a 'Geddon can do exactly what a Domi can do but better. And sniper sentryboats fits will underperform compared to sniper gunboats since sentry drones are immobile and can be lost.

I support this ship!

1) my fit has 84km drone control range, just add more DLAs, dps is lost only for the close range option
2) that's more than others
3) Tristan happens to be one of the best frigates atm

Because of it's superior tracking, flexibility and equal ability to brawl and snipe, it can shoot anything at any range.

You're not using it for anything anyway, just keep shooting pods and shuttles in Jita mate.

Domi will find it's uses in fleets, if CCP comes through with their plan to tweak with sentry drone usability.