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[Odyssey] Large Energy Turrets

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#21 - 2013-04-12 17:11:43 UTC
Loki Vice wrote:
Is a good start, but you need to look at the ammo as well, as it stands only 3 crystals are worth using Multifreq and scorch/conflag. the other t1 crystals just don't pull their weight when it comes to doing well... anything, if you need long range and can't use scorch, radio is an absolute joke.


Well, many of the T1 crystals do address one of the largest complaints, which is cap use, so it's a bit of a trade off. Perhaps a little tweaking there wouldn't be too much to ask for though.

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Kethry Avenger
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-04-12 17:11:58 UTC
Any thoughts from the proposal in the Amarr BS thread to make crystals more interesting? The changing them up to 4 range groups with each group having a thermal heavy crystal and the other being EM heavy.

This is a good start. Hopefully some Eft warriors can show how we still can't fit tachs though. Also with teiricide I think this is the final nail in the coffin of tachs having relevant benefits over other large weapon systems that fit on their racial variants ships and don't self neut.
Regolis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-04-12 17:12:07 UTC
Ok so maybe my ability at math is broken...

Mega Beam Laser 1
40 km range
16 falloff
65 GJ power usage
9.00 rate of fire
3.0 damage modifier
tracking 0.0153125 rad/sec
FITTING
55 CPU
3250 Powergrid



425mm Railgun 1
48 km range
24 km falloff
21 GJ power usage
9.56 rate of fire
3.025 damage modifier
0.01010625 rad/sec
FITTING
67 CPU
2200 Powergrid


ok so for 0.56 rate of fire and better tracking .. the Mega beam has 50% more fitting cost and 3x
the power cost to fire...
so lets reduce the capacitor on Amarr ships....

20% reduction in power use and 10% in grid is a joke .. took me less than 5 minutes to type this in even less to actually look at the data ... maybe you guys should

Reposted here from Amarr BS rebalance thread
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#24 - 2013-04-12 17:14:04 UTC
Taste the rainbow!
Naso Aya
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-04-12 17:14:05 UTC
Perfect.

I like the tracking bonus of the Apoc, my only question was making it useable.

WARNING: How will this affect the Oracle? The oracle is already ridiculously cap-stable with the 10% bonus per level, and fits even Tachyons very easily now. It's already a dominant laser platform, and the last thing I want is for this to simply encourage more people to fly an Oracle, as opposed to the ships it's supposed to be helping.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#26 - 2013-04-12 17:18:58 UTC
Naso Aya wrote:
Perfect.

I like the tracking bonus of the Apoc, my only question was making it useable.

WARNING: How will this affect the Oracle? The oracle is already ridiculously cap-stable with the 10% bonus per level, and fits even Tachyons very easily now. It's already a dominant laser platform, and the last thing I want is for this to simply encourage more people to fly an Oracle, as opposed to the ships it's supposed to be helping.

The Oracle is pretty much custom designed to be able to use Tach's (which is nice). I really haven't seen them in a dominant role among the other Attack BC's, but you could have a point I suppose. The extra fittings might allow it to start to over shadow some fo the others.

That is probably something that will have to be looked at closely on the test server.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#27 - 2013-04-12 17:21:11 UTC
Naso Aya wrote:
Perfect.

I like the tracking bonus of the Apoc, my only question was making it useable.

WARNING: How will this affect the Oracle? The oracle is already ridiculously cap-stable with the 10% bonus per level, and fits even Tachyons very easily now. It's already a dominant laser platform, and the last thing I want is for this to simply encourage more people to fly an Oracle, as opposed to the ships it's supposed to be helping.



Which is why the Tier 3 "Nerf" should have included nerfing their fittings..

Also i'm quite sure an Apoc with scorch will still outdps an apoc with tachs at 70 km.. =/ (WHILE being able to fit things like a tank)



Seriously though.. Small and medium beams.. i want some =<

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Naso Aya
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-04-12 17:26:25 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:


Also i'm quite sure an Apoc with scorch will still outdps an apoc with tachs at 70 km.. =/ (WHILE being able to fit things like a tank)



Seriously though.. Small and medium beams.. i want some =<



With Scorch, yes, but the strength of an Apoc with Tachs doesn't come from being able to hit things at 70km, it comes from being able to (with the bonus, and aurora) hit things at over 150 km away.
Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-04-12 17:27:52 UTC
Oracle:
8 Tach 2's and 10mn MWD leaves 232.23 power to spare after changes with no fitting mods.

New Apoc has 26250 Grid. Takes 26730 to fit Tachs with the 10% reduction and another 1250 for MWD. At least you can get by with one Ancil rig now?

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Johnson Oramara
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-04-12 17:34:26 UTC
What? My eyes must be lying to me or are the lasers actually getting buff? With all these nerfs lately? Buffs in my nERf online? Twisted
Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
#31 - 2013-04-12 17:38:31 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Jezza McWaffle wrote:
Fozzie. I love you. Marry me or else...

*cheekily*

Maybe 15% bonus on powergrid reduction for Tachyons?


FOZZIE? FOZZIE?!


He been cheatin' on you.
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#32 - 2013-04-12 17:38:48 UTC
Epic change :)
NinjaStyle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-04-12 17:40:04 UTC
Finaly Tachyons might be useable! we will see! keep posting more Eve is getting more and more Real :D
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#34 - 2013-04-12 17:42:54 UTC
Naso Aya wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:


Also i'm quite sure an Apoc with scorch will still outdps an apoc with tachs at 70 km.. =/ (WHILE being able to fit things like a tank)



Seriously though.. Small and medium beams.. i want some =<



With Scorch, yes, but the strength of an Apoc with Tachs doesn't come from being able to hit things at 70km, it comes from being able to (with the bonus, and aurora) hit things at over 150 km away.


Not while having a tank..

Is it unreasonable to want long range weapons to out dps short range weapons at their complete range limit?

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Georgina Parmala
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-04-12 17:44:38 UTC
Naso Aya wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:


Also i'm quite sure an Apoc with scorch will still outdps an apoc with tachs at 70 km.. =/ (WHILE being able to fit things like a tank)

Seriously though.. Small and medium beams.. i want some =<


With Scorch, yes, but the strength of an Apoc with Tachs doesn't come from being able to hit things at 70km, it comes from being able to (with the bonus, and aurora) hit things at over 150 km away.

3 Heat Sink Pulse Apoc 584 DPS Scorch

3HS Tach Apoc can hit close to 700 DPS with navy MF at just shy of 70 and 635 DPS at 80+48 with Navy Gamma. Or 400 with Aurora at 231+48km, let alone 150. You just can't fit much any tank because of power grid, so you might as well fit for lock range and use Aurora.

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Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-04-12 17:46:26 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
What about medium railguns ? :-(

What, you mean the Eagle should be able to fit a full rack of guns like it's supposed to? Blasphemy.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Aglais
Ice-Storm
#37 - 2013-04-12 17:59:50 UTC
Seems helpful, and I'm eager to see how these changes are going to improve the Amarr battleships.


Missiles. Where are the battleship missile changes.
Jedediah Arndtz
Jedediah Arndtz Corporation
#38 - 2013-04-12 18:05:05 UTC
Ohgodyes. Now if only we could get hybrids and missiles rebalanced.
Gnoshia
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-04-12 18:07:31 UTC
Daaaaamn.

I hope they do this for small and medium lasers. Maybe then Sansha ships will be viable for PVP!!!!

YAY PVP NIGHTMARE
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#40 - 2013-04-12 18:07:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Garviel Tarrant
Georgina Parmala wrote:
Naso Aya wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:


Also i'm quite sure an Apoc with scorch will still outdps an apoc with tachs at 70 km.. =/ (WHILE being able to fit things like a tank)

Seriously though.. Small and medium beams.. i want some =<


With Scorch, yes, but the strength of an Apoc with Tachs doesn't come from being able to hit things at 70km, it comes from being able to (with the bonus, and aurora) hit things at over 150 km away.

3 Heat Sink Pulse Apoc 584 DPS Scorch

3HS Tach Apoc can hit close to 700 DPS with navy MF at just shy of 70 and 635 DPS at 80+48 with Navy Gamma. Or 400 with Aurora at 231+48km, let alone 150. You just can't fit much any tank because of power grid, so you might as well fit for lock range and use Aurora.



Thats 3 heat sinks + 1 tc's at least to get that. (and even then its not actually close to 700 dps at 70.. more like 660

Ignoring the fact that even with the change the Apoc can't really realistically fit tachs. Unless you don't plan on putting anything else on it other than fitting mods. A full rack of Tachs even after the changes takes up more PG than the ship has, Add to that the need for a prop mod and a cap booster.. Thats already about what.. 30% over the PG? before we even think about adding a tank..

The apoc isn't a really good sniper, the oracle is way way better for that. What it is is long range fleet support, and for that it needs a tank and it needs cap.


Also its worth noting that i mostly just care about small and medium beams even though the large ones pretty much share the problem.

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