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I'm scared to post any questions after last time but

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Vyvica
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-10-31 22:08:08 UTC
Last time I asked some questions in the forums I kind of got ripped a new one. I know this question has probably been either asked a million times and you're probably sick of answering it or has very obvious answers. Just ignore this if you are going to be mean please. ^^

I understand mining isn't very lucrative. I've been doing missions. I think I found that I enjoy killing npcs the most. I'm not sure where I can always find them though.
I'm a caldari noob, What would you reccomend for a mining fit for me?

Thank you. please be nice! ^ ^
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2011-10-31 22:16:47 UTC
Vyvica wrote:
Thank you. please be nice! ^ ^


No promises. Twisted

Vyvica wrote:
I understand mining isn't very lucrative. I've been doing missions. I think I found that I enjoy killing npcs the most. I'm not sure where I can always find them though.
I'm a caldari noob, What would you reccomend for a mining fit for me?


With the T1 mining barges it's a bit hard to "tank" them in any reasonable way. Your best defense will be to maintain vigilance (i.e. if something doesn't seem right, GTFO).

Best way to do this is to watch your directional scanner (found on the HUD), "scanning" often, and knowing what the common ganker setups/tactics are (pro-tip; multiple destroyer gangs (Thrashers and Catalysts, in particular) are a favorite among gankers).

Once you get into T2 mining barges you will find more options available to you. Bear in mind though that mining barges in general are not designed for combat and will not be able to set up a "combat ship-like" tank. That said... look into fitting as much BUFFER (i.e. high resistances and "raw" HP) as possible.
The amount you mine WILL suffer with such a fit, but you make yourself a somewhat unappealing target compared to others and can thus mine longer unmolested.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-10-31 22:23:38 UTC
As a starting pilot who wants mining here are some suggestions:

Mining frigate = Bantam

Fit it with Miner I's (or Miner II's if you have the skills) in the high slots and cargo expanders in the lows. You can use the mid slots to fit some sort of shield tank for high sec rats. If you have the ISK you can also use cargo rigs to expand your cargohold even more.

When you have the ability of a hauler (friend or 2nd account) you can also swap the low-slot cargo for Mining Laser Upgrades for better mining yield as you don't need large cargo (the hauler will be your cargohold).

Mining cruiser = osprey

Same type of fit for the Osprey. Miner I's (or Miner II's) in high, mids for shield tank. Low for eighter cargo (solo mining) or MLU (team mining). Rigs can be used for further cargo expansion.

If you still like mining after a while I would suggest to get into a Retriever as soon as possible.

For high sec a Retriever with 2 x T1 Strip Miners is a nice start to get into the more intensive mining, but with a Retriever I suggest you find a hauler as hold of retriever can fill quite fast.

*Keep in mind that ISK income in eighter a Bantam or Osprey isn't that great if you compare it to running missions.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-10-31 22:27:22 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Vyvica wrote:
Thank you. please be nice! ^ ^


No promises. Twisted

Vyvica wrote:
I understand mining isn't very lucrative. I've been doing missions. I think I found that I enjoy killing npcs the most. I'm not sure where I can always find them though.
I'm a caldari noob, What would you reccomend for a mining fit for me?


With the T1 mining barges it's a bit hard to "tank" them in any reasonable way. Your best defense will be to maintain vigilance (i.e. if something doesn't seem right, GTFO).

Best way to do this is to watch your directional scanner (found on the HUD), "scanning" often, and knowing what the common ganker setups/tactics are (pro-tip; multiple destroyer gangs (Thrashers and Catalysts, in particular) are a favorite among gankers).

Once you get into T2 mining barges you will find more options available to you. Bear in mind though that mining barges in general are not designed for combat and will not be able to set up a "combat ship-like" tank. That said... look into fitting as much BUFFER (i.e. high resistances and "raw" HP) as possible.
The amount you mine WILL suffer with such a fit, but you make yourself a somewhat unappealing target compared to others and can thus mine longer unmolested.


Agreed. All good and true advice, though not very noob friendly to think of Exhumers (T2 Mining barges).

Only pro-tip from another miner. GTFO when ever you don't trust stuff. In high-sec mining in something small usually doesn't get you suicide ganked as it is not worth it. But be aware when jetcan mining, under no circumstances shoot the thief or steal your ores back, this is what he is after. If you shoot him he can legally shoot back. So best is to take your loss of ores and warp away and mine in some other place

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Vyvica
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-10-31 22:32:44 UTC
I'm having a hard time fitting any type of mining ship. I can't use an osprey yet. It seems like I'm stuck with a Bantam for now.

Where in the Amaar regiion can I almost always find npcs I can kill?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-31 22:47:31 UTC
Vyvica wrote:
I'm having a hard time fitting any type of mining ship. I can't use an osprey yet. It seems like I'm stuck with a Bantam for now.

Where in the Amaar regiion can I almost always find npcs I can kill?


NPC rats spawn in asteriod belts randomly, best to get NPC rats to kill is to take security missions from any agent you can acces.

As you are in a player corp, ask them where they live and move closer to them. You can run missions together and if needed they can assist you more easily.

Also they likely have higher level agents and might take you with you on their missions, this will get you standing (and thus better agents) quickly

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#7 - 2011-10-31 22:50:48 UTC
Poke me about the subject next time your on and I'll push ya in the right direction ^^

The Drake is a Lie

mxzf
Shovel Bros
#8 - 2011-10-31 22:51:37 UTC
If you're wanting a steady stream of NPCs to kill, you might want to look into missions. If you just want to blow some stuff up without having to do missions, then you're looking for Anoms. Fly out into space with your combat ship, open the Scanner (it's one of the buttons to the left of your health bars), and scan. Most systems will have a couple Anoms at any given time that you can go to and just kill a few waves of rats.

See this page for some more info on them: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cosmic_anomaly

Also, if you're looking for info on mining, Halada's Mining Guide is the Bible of mining.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-10-31 22:56:30 UTC
Same as Xercodo, if we are on at the same time (and I'm not really busy) you can convo me at any time, I'm glad to help you out with any questions

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Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#10 - 2011-10-31 23:50:04 UTC
Get a Retriever as fast as you possibly can, and from there get a Hulk (Or Covetor if you blew all your cash).

Tanking in a barge/exhumer is relatively useless compared to moar cargo room, AS LONG AS YOU ARE ALIGNED TO A STATION AT 75% IMPULSE (:3)

I've used a Retriever with;

High
2x T1 Strip miner

Med

Active Shield re-generator; I suggest a Meta-level 3 one

Low

3x Cargo Expander II

Rigs

3x Cargo Optimization


All of the above leads to almost 5000 Cargo (49-something); it should take 2 1/2 cycles to fill (Warp to station)

For Mah Hulk;

High

3x Modulated Strip Miner II with Veldspar Crystals (Substitute for ore of choice)

Med

3x Passive shield buffers
1x Active tank module

Low

3x Cargo Expander II

Rigs

2x Cargo Optimization I (I put level 2, but for most people, the T1 is much better)

More than 16,000 M^3

(Both of these assume good electronics & CPU skills)

I hope this helps! And always remember to stay aligned to a station, and keep up at least half your impulse (You should be full before you leave the range).

:3

The pie is a tautology

Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#11 - 2011-10-31 23:54:05 UTC
She's still in a bantam let a lone an osprey let alone a retriever.

But on the other hand she can still save the retriever fit if she gets into one in the next few weeks.

The Drake is a Lie

Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#12 - 2011-10-31 23:57:24 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
She's still in a bantam let a lone an osprey let alone a retriever.

But on the other hand she can still save the retriever fit if she gets into one in the next few weeks.


Oh, getting a Retriever takes no time at all.

It's the arduous journey to Hulk :/

The pie is a tautology

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#13 - 2011-11-01 00:00:04 UTC
To find more NPCs to kill while mining, you need to find lower-sec systems with lots of belts. One way of doing this would be to head over to Wollari's EVE Maps. Select the system list (on that map, it's the white-and-blue spreadsheet icon next to the planet/moon icons), then sort by number of belts. Work down that list until you find a system with security 0.5 or higher.

You can even set the graphical map to colour systems by number of belts. Now you can search for a bunch of systems near each other with lots of belts.

Hope this helps!
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#14 - 2011-11-01 08:47:57 UTC
Everything there is to know about mining can be found in Halada's Complete Miner's Guide Version 3.0.

The usual mining ship progression route is mining frigate -> mining cruiser -> retriever -> hulk, altough it IS feasible to mine in battleships.
You can get into a Retriever very fast and they are cheap (ca. 5 M isk). A Hulk will take a long time but for serious miner it is the best ship.
As a Hulk is very expensive I recommend permatanking it so you can go get a sandwich and come back to find several noob ganker wrecks floating next to your Hulk Pirate It will eat into your mining efficiency but they are so expensive to lose it is worth it.
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#15 - 2011-11-01 11:41:50 UTC
Vyvica wrote:
Last time I asked some questions in the forums I kind of got ripped a new one. I know this question has probably been either asked a million times and you're probably sick of answering it or has very obvious answers. Just ignore this if you are going to be mean please. ^^

I understand mining isn't very lucrative. I've been doing missions. I think I found that I enjoy killing npcs the most. I'm not sure where I can always find them though.
I'm a caldari noob, What would you reccomend for a mining fit for me?

Thank you. please be nice! ^ ^



TBH if you post your questions in this forum I doubt you will take too much grief from folks. Posting in the general forums, however, is much more likely to get you trolled or griefed. Everyone pretty much expects noobie questions in the new player forum and I think the moderators would probably slap down anyone ragging you too hard in here.

As for mining vs mission running I would stick to mission running. Its far more interesting and far more lucrative in the long run for most players. As mentioned previously in this thread... look for a single line of security missions to run and keep running that same line until you are allowed to run level 4 missions from that line. When your standings with that line of agents is high enough (level 5 i think) you can begin doing level 4s and make reasonably good money. Looting and salvaging the wrecks at the end will allow you to make even more.

I used to run caldari navy missions when i lived in high sec. With the new agent finder tool (maybe not so new now) you can find agents for any line and can sort by security and mission level which makes finding agents very easy. Miners do make some money in this game. Generally those miners live in null sec and are mining the best ores. But its very boring. And you would need to be part of a null sec alliance that controls such space.
Cunane Jeran
#16 - 2011-11-01 14:26:19 UTC
I think it has been said already but the Mining Bantam is a good start, and cheap, followed up with an Osprey, or Retriever. Personally I recommend the Retriever but find a quiet spot in space to mine, with only a couple of people in local.

Training for the retriever also has the benefit of improving your mining skills along the way.

Anyway onto the useful bits.

Quote:
[Bantam, Mining Fit]
2x Miner II
2x Expanded Cargohold II


If you can fit Tech 2 modules yet use the regular ones.

As for training towards a Retriever you will need:

Quote:
Mining lv4 (5% mining yield per level)
Astrogeology lv4 (5% mining yield per level)
Industry lv5 (This is more for producing items later down the line and doesn't affect your mining)
Mining Barge lv3 (This is so you can fly the Retriever each level gives you the ship bonus of 3% extra yield for Strip mining turrets, these are beasts compared to the lasers your currently using)


As for hunting down NPC's I'd recommend looking in Asteroid belts in system between 0.5 and 0.8 security space, but if you want a lot more to kill look for a level one security division agent and do the missions they give you. There are a lot more NPC's to kill on demand rather than the few you find roaming.


Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#17 - 2011-11-01 22:23:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Louis deGuerre wrote:
Everything there is to know about mining can be found in Halada's Complete Miner's Guide Version 3.0.
You are behind a version.

Here's a copy I've uploaded to EVE-FIles: Halada's The Complete Miner's Guide 3.1 (Extended Edition)
http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/TauCabalander/completeminersguidev31.pdf

Industrial Sized Knowledgebase is also useful for new players, and old:
http://www.isktheguide.com/
Atlas Oracle
Colossus Enterprises
#18 - 2011-11-02 00:43:46 UTC
Tau's guide is awesome, as always.
Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#19 - 2011-11-02 16:05:46 UTC
correct me if i'm wrong, but if you enjoy killing npc's the most, shouldn't you stick to missions? you'll find a lot more npc's in missions than in belts. of course there's always anoms, but that might be jumping the gun a little. you can also find npc's in exploration sites; should be plenty of those in hi-sec.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#20 - 2011-11-02 16:31:51 UTC
If you idiots haven't worked out OP is a troll, let me help : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=256187#post256187

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