Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Aye, suggested that myself when it became clear what was happening. Could be crudely done by adding a bit to the primary tank level roughly equivalent to what is lost (naked = sans buffer mods) .. won't be much on the smaller hulls affected but should be enough to make people (myself included) feel not quite so thoroughly shafted.

Refined solution is to "simply" revise ships affected and look at everything again, replace lost tank with damage, speed, agility, sensors etc.

Annoying part for me is that it was the infernal buffer monkeys out there that brought this about, that one measly percent will in a lot of frig/cruiser fights literally mean wins (usually pretty narrow) being turned into losses when active tanking.

Welcome to Breaking Eve Online.

Numbers seem legit.

I got nothing.

This is rediculous and a blanket nerf to a ton of ships that need help if anything. The meta implications of nerfing HICs, triage, and everything else this will touch is completely opposite of anything I would have asked for.

One thing I'll quickly mention is that 1 / 0.8 = 1.25. This means that the new bonus (20% resists at level 5) will actually equal a 25% increase in Effective Reps. Still very significant (in fact it's probably what a lot of people assumed the old bonus gave). However the difference between 25% and 37.5% is a lot more noticeable than the difference between 33% and 37.5%.

So? That's still 3% LESS not MORE, so a rokh will rep less than a maelstrom, yet the rokh gets nerfed?
Remember that a mael is much more popular in general and more powerful dps wise (with higer aplha to boot) than a rokh, even with the current staus quo, why do you ignore this?



And? No one passive/buffer tanks a rokh! Irrelevant point. Edit: Excluding huge blob fest fleets of course, and we all know that is the only type of pvp amirite? [/sarcasm]



No other ship skill bonus gets a stacking penalty either.
Shield/armour mods have stacking penalties, damage mods have stacking penalties. It's uniform across the board.
This point is also moot.



And so we come to the real reason you're nerfing the rokh and abbadon: RR.

Hint: don't nerf the ships, nerf the mods, the ships are fine in every other aspect!
I'll use an analogy I used earlier: you're blaming the bread for being burnt by the toaster.

EVEN CONSIDERING THIS.

The rokh was never overpowered, it's actually a poor RR platform (no spare high slot).
How is it a problem if no one ever complained? No RR changes are happening in this expansion so how why is this change needed now, why did you change something that no one asked for or wanted??

The rokh will still be useful as a fleet BS yes, but it has always been only marginal in other roles. This change makes that worse. The maelstrom is now much, much better.

These changes were supposed to bring versatility to the neglected caldari BS's but you NERFED a ship that did not need to be nerfed! Skrew the blanket changes, assess each ship individually, not just a lazy one size fits all change to 4% for everything!



Worst. Plan. Ever. 0/10.




Great, so you are thinking of applying a blanket change?

If so: F*CKING LAZY.

Assess each ship individually! Not together! Most of those ships were already balanced/under powered, you must reconsider!

I really like that you and CCP Rise are making some big changes and have a passion for this game, but this is a mistake and no one wants it. I know you guys can do much better!

Edit:

Alse, regarding your "If you don't like it too bad, just talk to the CSM lol!"

Well that is the biggest f*cking cop out I've ever seen. Zero Accountability to this huge nerf that hits 44 balanced/under powered ships.
It's like the speed nerf of years ago all over again (except no one wants this nerf).

Bad. Bad. F*cking bad.

Drat! There goes my change to steal the election from Mynnna. As obviously you'd vote for me if you disagreeds and I also disagreed. But I don't.

It's a well reasoned change.

5% resist bonus ships are great anti blob ships. It is one of the few things that gives u any chance against a blob.
The problem is that the blob can bring that 5% resist ship too, right?
Yes, but the real problem is the accessibility of those ships.
T1 hulls are easy accessible to everyone and having blobs fly with T1 5% resist ships is the real problem.

The conclusion is to leave 5% resist bonuses to T2, T3 hulls and capitals and remove them from T1 hulls.
Why T2, T3 and capitals? Well u diminish the blob by alot if u decide to go out with T2, T3 or capital ships.

Resist bonuses need to stay in the game. That bonus is great to show out some skill and compete with blobs.

4% is fine.

I was with you on hics until I looked at the numbers. Hics are the only ship (of the above) that both enters a remote-rep immune state and gains no local-rep bonus to compensate. Under this change, a broadsword will lose...about 5k ehp. Which isn't much! I'd be happy if CCP snuck in a little more shield capacity to compensate (as the buffer won't be as OP as the resists), but overall, it's pretty okay and the nerf elsewhere was needed.