Skill Discussions

What is the ultimate Maelstrom skill set???

I'm pretty new to the game and find that, although the certificates/skill planning tool great, it's not designed specifically for all intended purposes. I'd really appreciate some help planning out the most efficient skill queue, in terms of time, to be able to use the Maelstrom to its fullest potential and skill-up my manufacturing/research to reduce the cost of achieving these ships in the future.

Couple notes:
>> Intended purpose: I'd really like to use this for PvP in small gangs (I'll need to find a corp and "gang" hopefully soon:)
>> I'd like to optimize manufacturing, procurement and selling, rather than mining for isk... anything insights here would help as well.
>> After I achieve "Ultimate Maelstrom", as I like to call it, I'd like to try piloting a Loki or Hel, but those are probably distant wishes that won't be realized for a long time, but something to think about from a skills synergies standpoint.

Anyways, any help/guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Burn the land and boil the sea you can't take the sky from me. - Sonny Rhodes

Basic industry skills:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1145497#post1145497

Why not use a Loki or the Minmatar Command ships since you mention small gangs, BS in small gang warfare are no fun since your chance of escape, manoverabilty, and the ability to dictate range are IMO the key feature in small gang roams are horrible in BS, their role now is more geared toward larger fleets POCO/POS bashing

Welcome to EVE!

Wrote you half a page reply, but the internet ate it...

Will send you a mail after work with skills for Maelstrom.

In the meantime let me suggest you a great 3rp party program, EVEHQ, here you can create theoretical ship fits, and based on your skill see how long it would take to get into them, and create skillqueues for it.

Using EVEMON I get the following to utilize a Loki properly... from what I can tell...

Skill plan for Finch Ronuken

Minmatar Frigate IV (1 day, 11 hours, 59 minutes, 42 seconds)
Minmatar Cruiser I (36 minutes, 13 seconds)
Minmatar Cruiser II (2 hours, 48 minutes, 45 seconds)
Minmatar Cruiser III (15 hours, 54 minutes, 26 seconds)
Minmatar Cruiser IV (3 days, 17 hours, 59 minutes, 16 seconds)
Minmatar Cruiser V (21 days, 5 hours, 2 minutes, 45 seconds)
Mechanics IV (17 hours, 59 minutes, 51 seconds)
Mechanics V (4 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, 33 seconds)
Minmatar Defensive Systems I (7 minutes, 14 seconds)
Electronics IV (17 hours, 59 minutes, 51 seconds)
Electronics V (4 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, 33 seconds)
Minmatar Electronic Systems I (7 minutes, 14 seconds)
Engineering IV (17 hours, 59 minutes, 51 seconds)
Engineering V (4 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, 33 seconds)
Minmatar Engineering Systems I (7 minutes, 14 seconds)
Gunnery V (2 days, 13 hours, 31 minutes, 2 seconds)
Minmatar Offensive Systems I (7 minutes, 14 seconds)
Navigation V (4 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, 33 seconds)
Minmatar Propulsion Systems I (7 minutes, 14 seconds)
Minmatar Strategic Cruiser I (36 minutes, 13 seconds)
Energy Systems Operation IV (17 hours, 59 minutes, 51 seconds)
Energy Systems Operation V (4 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, 33 seconds)
Energy Management IV (2 days, 5 hours, 59 minutes, 33 seconds)
Energy Grid Upgrades IV (1 day, 11 hours, 59 minutes, 42 seconds)
Electronics Upgrades IV (1 day, 11 hours, 59 minutes, 42 seconds)
Electronics Upgrades V (8 days, 11 hours, 37 minutes, 6 seconds)
Weapon Upgrades IV (1 day, 11 hours, 59 minutes, 42 seconds)
Long Range Targeting IV (1 day, 11 hours, 59 minutes, 42 seconds)
Signature Analysis IV (17 hours, 59 minutes, 51 seconds)
Targeting V (4 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, 33 seconds)
Multitasking I (21 minutes, 44 seconds)
Spaceship Command IV (17 hours, 59 minutes, 51 seconds)
Warp Drive Operation III (3 hours, 10 minutes, 52 seconds)
Shield Management IV (2 days, 5 hours, 59 minutes, 33 seconds)
Repair Systems IV (17 hours, 59 minutes, 51 seconds)
Rapid Firing IV (1 day, 11 hours, 59 minutes, 42 seconds)
Motion Prediction IV (1 day, 11 hours, 59 minutes, 42 seconds)
Medium Projectile Turret I (21 minutes, 44 seconds)
Medium Projectile Turret II (1 hour, 41 minutes, 14 seconds)
Medium Projectile Turret III (9 hours, 32 minutes, 40 seconds)
Medium Projectile Turret IV (2 days, 5 hours, 59 minutes, 33 seconds)
Trajectory Analysis IV (3 days, 17 hours, 59 minutes, 16 seconds)
Small Projectile Turret IV (17 hours, 59 minutes, 51 seconds)
Small Projectile Turret V (4 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, 33 seconds)
Small Autocannon Specialization I (21 minutes, 44 seconds)
Small Autocannon Specialization II (1 hour, 41 minutes, 14 seconds)
Small Autocannon Specialization III (9 hours, 32 minutes, 40 seconds)
Small Autocannon Specialization IV (2 days, 5 hours, 59 minutes, 33 seconds)
Medium Projectile Turret V (12 days, 17 hours, 25 minutes, 39 seconds)
Medium Autocannon Specialization I (36 minutes, 13 seconds)
Armor Rigging I (21 minutes, 44 seconds)
Armor Rigging II (1 hour, 41 minutes, 14 seconds)
Armor Rigging III (9 hours, 32 minutes, 40 seconds)
Armor Rigging IV (2 days, 5 hours, 59 minutes, 33 seconds)
Sharpshooter IV (1 day, 11 hours, 59 minutes, 42 seconds)
Small Artillery Specialization I (21 minutes, 44 seconds)
Small Artillery Specialization II (1 hour, 41 minutes, 14 seconds)
Small Artillery Specialization III (9 hours, 32 minutes, 40 seconds)
Small Artillery Specialization IV (2 days, 5 hours, 59 minutes, 33 seconds)
Medium Artillery Specialization I (36 minutes, 13 seconds)
Missile Launcher Operation IV (17 hours, 59 minutes, 51 seconds)
Heavy Assault Missiles I (21 minutes, 44 seconds)
Heavy Assault Missiles II (1 hour, 41 minutes, 14 seconds)
Heavy Assault Missiles III (9 hours, 32 minutes, 40 seconds)
Heavy Assault Missiles IV (2 days, 5 hours, 59 minutes, 33 seconds)
Heavy Assault Missiles V (12 days, 17 hours, 25 minutes, 39 seconds)
Heavy Assault Missile Specialization I (36 minutes, 13 seconds)
Cloaking I (43 minutes, 28 seconds)
Cloaking II (3 hours, 22 minutes, 29 seconds)
Cloaking III (19 hours, 5 minutes, 20 seconds)
Cloaking IV (4 days, 11 hours, 59 minutes, 7 seconds)


Total time: 138 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, 49 seconds; Completion: 8/27/2013 5:41:15 AM

See you on the battlefiend in like September... woah.

What you need to do is to get minmatar frigate 5, and get the skills to fly a rifter with tech 2 modules. You can find fittings on battleclinic.com. In a rifter you can practice pvp and get to know how the game works (there's a lot to learn), and while you do that you can start manufacturing - or maybe run a few missions to get you started making isk. YOU WILL NEED LOADS OF ISK. Pvp i expensive, and only rarely will you make isk from it, so you need to have some way of making isk when your pretty ships die in a fire :P

tl;dr
get a frigate, learn pvp in that
make some isk

"Manufacturing for isk" ?!!? Take my advice don't think you will make isk with manufacturing without a massive investment of training time and isk. You can't manufacture Tech 1 stuff for a profit unless you mine the minerals yourself and even then you'd make more selling the minerals. Tech 1 manufacture is only profitable if you have a lot of skills maxed, fully researched BPOs and great standings. Or you are building stuff for an under served niche market. Like making ammo/drones in a mission hub from mineral salvaged from cheaply bought mission loot. (Personally I'd just haul the ammo in, and mission loot out...)

on the battlefield IN A LOKI

now, big ships are fun and all ... but you're setting yourself up a bit here.
step back, and "slow down".

1. DO NOT wait til you can fly a Loki
2. DO NOT think that you "need" a Loki to get involved in combat.
3. DO NOT train things to L5 "just because" (if you need them as a prereq, that's totally different)

4. DO set this as a mid-/long-term plan (even though 3-4 months is nothing when you get into the bigger things)
5. DO spend the next month getting L4 across the board with your frigate skills (if you haven't already)
6. DO learn to fight in a frigate
7. DO remember that the journey itself is more important than the final goal (and it should be fun)

Why 5? Do you really want to spend over a month getting a single extra manufacturing slot? Even full-time industrialists often don't get that (it's faster to train an alt to get several more slots than to train that to get one more)

That's a month in which you won't be getting your frigate skills and support skills up.



Do you really, really need those at 5 now? That's about 3/4 of a month there, just for the 5th level of both.

General rule, level 3 for something you do occasionally, level 4 for something you do a lot, level 5 for something you do all the time.

Whoops, doublepost.

Might as well put something here:

I don't know that I would do combat and industry on the same character. The disparate training plans are one concern, but in actual play, I tend to fly my combat pilot all over the universe, while my industrialists almost never move.

It would be massively inconvenient if I had to fly my combat pilot to The Forge every time I needed to queue up some new production lines or reprice a market order.