EVE General Discussion

I know a lot of moons suck.

...but I will take a shot.

Technetium goes 56K. You can pull 200 unit per hour? 11.2M ISK/Hour. 268M/Day 7.5 Billion ISK/Month. per moon.


Am I close?

My understanding is that often the players do not directly get this money. Corp/Alliance funds, but I could be wrong.

If you can believe a Goon rep, they believe it does, and they say they warned CCP against the way Moons were implemented.

I am not sure how many of these moons there are... I have seen estimates of 300-500. So 2.2 Trillion ISK per month on the low side to maybe 5 Trillion ISK per month.

Perhaps not making them rich... perhaps it is... but significant wouldn't you say?

100/hour, 2400 per day = 134m/day ... little over 4b per 30 days. Less POS fuel, transport, taxes, etc ... so maybe 3-3.5b in profit.

No no no, how dare you use "facts" and "logic" in the face of other people's unfounded but closely held beliefs? Don't you know that everyone who simply jumps into null sec gets insta-rich because officer spawns appear at the gate to welcome you with rare loot?

Shame on you sir, SHAME.

And right there I hope I busted your sarcasm meter. Death to Sarcasm meters!.

Facts and logic have no place on EVE-O forums.


Its like this mythical entity The Big Blue Donut ™ I really wish someone would tell all the neuts, reds, cloaky campers and blops gangs that hang out where I live about it. They all seemed to have missed the memo…

...I was just thinking my day could use some posting in a stealth "nerf High sec" thread...

1) Tech moons make empires isk, not their memberships.

Background income like that is pretty important for a major null power to field a strong ship replacement program to keep wars going. Wartime shuts down personal incomes pretty fast as your people are fleeting up vs "ratting". So if you want wars, they need isk to feed those efforts.

That said, when they don't run big wars, they just bloat their wealth and that is where a lot of us find problems with moon goo out there. Bloating empire wealth, then used to fund lulz efforts against other parts of space vs fighting each other.

2) There are not enough exploration sites available to keep even a smaller null SOV group actively earning. As such, belt ratting is the more common form of "stock" income vs sporadic exploration efforts.

3) Actually not that many. 3 less pods were destroyed over 1 weekend in Essence region vs all of TEST's 174 systems (much larger system count than essence). Ship count loss? I had to toss those numbers - too many newbies lose ships to provide a meaningful comparison but pod wise -- that says a bit.

4) Again, not many. Most don't rat that much for income beyond "stuff to do" and "restocking" between roams. Actual wars that cause big shifts happen sporadically and, in general, you have 2+ days to pull enough forces together to respond to threats.

"real" threats also either are met with overwhelming force over a couple hours or are avoided with expensive resources (supers).

As such, claiming vast amounts of effort as groups/gangs roam around doing PvP is like lowsec claiming they spend vast amounts of effort to clean their space -- that is the play style they *CHOSE* and they don't get extra rewards for their chosen play style.

If SOV lands were more volatile with flipping back and forth, requiring more time and effort spent defending and attacking daily - then you might have a leg to stand on but you don't with how things currently work.

It doesn't need more income at either empire nor personal levels while it remains that safe.

Now low or NPC null? I'm open to talking about them but not SOV lands.

1. I couldn't speak to that, I've never been lucky enough to hold awesome isk-printing moons, though i'm sure others in this thread will be happy to supply exact numbers. The main issue is this isk generation happens continiously, with very little required imput. It amounts to staggering amounts of isk. And don't try to divide it between the total number of members in the Alliance, as it goes into the pockets of small numbers of individuals.

2. ****-loads! Back in my days in Providence i'd run them daily, and never had any issues with them running out, though its been over two years since i've been in a null Alliance. Obviously this is going to differ between Alliances. Do you find you have an issue with this then?

3. In my Providence days, i was never caught. I would be able to chain rat continiously, and making an epic amount of isk via bounties and salvage. In the small number of instances where someone unknown appears in local, you just dock or safe up. Null-space was easily the safest place i'd ever played. Obviously, there are going to be exceptions to this, Alliances in the middle of major wars. But common! When was the last time you saw siginificant Alliances committing large numbers of capitals in serious wars? The blue donut is here to stay, people!

4. This is can agree with. I've wasted many an hour in CTA's defending space. Hats off to the nullsec Alliances, you have to work to protect your assets. But with that achieved, you've got the safest area in EvE, with the best resources and rewards. Easily.

In the risk vs reward scale, Nullsec beats everywhere, hands down. Low risk, high reward.

1. So, some of the ISK goes to the membership, in the form of ship replacements or free carriers for everyone (like goonfleet has done).

If you have a problem with them making this easy ISK, go ahead and take a moon? If it is so easy, it surely wouldn't be a problem. You don't even have to claim sov-Null for tech moons, just go to Venal, it has seventy-something tech moons.

2. Belt ratting supports even less people. I'd guesstimate 10 belts per 1 person when chaining spawns.

3. Empire is (due to the endless ISK in mission hubs) way more populated than any 0.0 space, of course the number of kills in empire space will be higher.

4. Do you know why NC. lost Tribute and VotS? Because they couldn't muster enough pilots to actually come out and play after well over a month of defending their space. Aka burnout. That war was hundreds of man-hours.



http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/SOLAR_FLEET/changes - I'm pretty sure SOLAR disagress about sov being not volatile enough.