EVE General Discussion

T3s.

All the power and tank of a battleship coupled with the speed and sig of a cruiser.

Your mind is playing silly games with you.

This debate was raging long before I started playing 3 years ago.

Not much success so far, huh ?

"Remove CONCORD because high Sec is too safe! "
"Remove missions because EVE is all about PVP!"
"Remove warp to zero bacause I can't tackle anyone!"
"Remove from the game anything I don't like because only my meta vision matters!"

I think these ideas are fresh and new and never been discussed.
Topicstarter should make another threads because this can change everything.

A note on exploration and risk (as I have seen that brought up).

Where I have seen a lot of DED 4 tengue's doing a straight up boss kill, the owners of them tending to be former nullsec renters, and no shortage of lightweight high secs being "mined with lasers" as the saying goes, the real reason why there's not a lot of exploration outside of highsec is due to getting there.

There are two walls. The Great Wall of Carebear, is the first. It's a ring of renters and zombies shuffling around doing nothing until living meat shows up - these are the ones making lowsec more like the parking lot of the shopping mall in Dawn of the Dead.

The other is a psychological wall comparable to why people get stuck in the same traffic jams every day, over and over, without even thinking to find another route.

There are carebears on BOTH sides of that wall.

Explorers who know how to use wormholes to travel and get to nullsec and find most of it deserted, and fill their hulls with loot. No gank pipelines, no bubble camps, and practically nobody else. I have gone months without seeing anybody else "out there".

The mindset of most players, no matter what their playing style is, is to be "station bound" and "area bound", kind of like how a kid never goes around the block until some courage later on leads them to do so. I have seen people pod themselves out of wormholes because it was going to take an extra day to get out, but there was still a way out.

The ultimate problem is travel. So once more I must say that if we can eliminate the dependency on gates, by whatever mechanics and rules (why delve into details considering it's not likely?) we would put an end to these walls. The bubble camp is replaced by the combat patrol and the uber leet PVPers have to actually hunt for their prey. No more "ring of renters" keeping nullsec safe from exploitation either.

Do that, and make all resources finite to that "over-mined" and "over-missioned" regions (all security statuses) dry up, even tech moons being sucked dry, and this game truly becomes the high risk PVP game that everybody says it would be if only lvl4s were moved to low. Make these changes I suggest and most of the players will be too busy fighting over resources and salvage to run missions.

You had me at 'meaty insides'.

This should be made a banable topic at this point. Over and over and back and forth and around and around.

Did not read the tread, just responding to the OP.
I do not agree.

L5 missions are already in low sec only, providing the balance you want.
L4 missions that are in low sec already pay better than the same mission in high sec, providing the balance you want.
Every player risks $15 a month. They all deserve reward for that risk irrelevant of where they play.
Many players enjoy high sec and the play style afforded by high sec. This screams of the standard "You are having fun playing the game in a way I do not like, therefore the game should be changed" whine.
The REAL low risk / high reward activity is station trading at a trade hub. You do not even undock and have zero chance of a ship exploding out from under you. Yet you can make far more isk than a mission runner. If your goal is to nerf low risk / high reward activities you should go after that, not missions.

Could not have put it better myself.

Play the game the way you like, and do not try to make everyone else play like you think they should. Yes, some people actually like the casual EVE side. Highsec level 4 mission runners do not keep you from playing the game the way you like. If you are jealous of their alleged lavish and risk-free lifestyle, run some highsec level 4 missions yourself.

If anything, they should move level 5s to high sec as well. We have high sec incursions which gives buckets of ISK, so why not Level 5s? Could give some very nice 3-5 man group content.