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Republic Security Services to cross Federal border at Bei at 20:00 to extradite criminal illegally

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Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-04-11 21:53:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolas Merovech
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Here's the thing, Pieter.

This was an event I went to every year with my parents when I was growing up, partly due to the fact that it was within walking distance of where I lived, but mostly because they felt it was important to expose me to other cultures as early as possible.

I would have been there this morning, with my mother, if I hadn't decided late last night that I really needed to go home for the first time since the 22nd of March instead of staying with her another day to go to the festival like we used to.

I know she was planning to go regardless of whether I stayed or not. I haven't heard anything from her yet. So excuse me for being extremely blunt about this: this is an incredibly ******** move on the RSS' part, and it's not going to end well for anyone.

Patience is a virtue. Unfortunately it is not as common as it should be.


I pray your family is safe and unharmed, that the people wounded during this tragedy recover quickly, and that those who perished rest in peace.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.

Aidari Flamesight
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-04-11 22:33:22 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Aidari Flamesight wrote:
If the tables were turned and Blaque, Foritian, or Roden were killed by a Minmatar in Minmatar space, I'm sure they would be doing the same thing.


What makes you think any of us give a **** about high-ranking politicians? There's no sense of interstellar kinship as amongst the Minmatar.


So if President Roden, on a visit to our Republic was shot, you and most other Gallente would be perfectly fine with the trials taking place entirely within our country?

"Do not count days, do not count miles, count only the number of slaves you freed."

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-04-11 23:00:56 UTC
Aidari Flamesight wrote:
So if President Roden, on a visit to our Republic was shot, you and most other Gallente would be perfectly fine with the trials taking place entirely within our country?

Let us set aside for a moment the fact that I couldn't really give a damn if Roden got one between the eyes and imagine it was a Federation president I actually cared for.

No. I wouldn't be entirely happy about it, but I wouldn't breach the sovereignty of my closest ally by sending military forces across the border without permisison to sieze a suspect held by their law enforcement.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Narcisa De Fontaine
Core Medical Group
#24 - 2013-04-11 23:01:38 UTC
That's not the same thing at all.

The better comparison would be a former president, Foiritan. As much as I personally disapprove of Foiritan he's still a Federation citizen, and I don't pretend we'd be fine with it if it were the other way around. At minimum, we'd want to be kept informed, and some reassurance that everything was being done to investigate the matter. We would also talk to you, because that's what friends are meant to do at times like this. Talk things out. Not scream threats down the comm.

I don't understand why the Matari, of all people, are having problems understanding why we're not prepared to stand by while a fleet waltzes in through our borders to unilaterally snatch one of our citizens away.

Yes, I'm aware we're talking about a criminal. They're in custody at the moment. As Pilot Lagann has already pointed out - there's always a lot of bluster from the Tribes about respecting their culture and their way of doing things. Now is the Republic's chance to show us the same respect.

A crime has been committed inside the Federation, it should be investigated by our authorities and the perpetrator tried within the Federation.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#25 - 2013-04-12 02:34:08 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I advise you to surrender said terrorist, if you think he's guilty. The Matari will NOT brook interference in their reponse to the attempted assassination of a highly placed member of their society.

I know this is... uncomfortable... in a strictly legalistic sense, but your strongeset ally will NOT understand if you drag your feet on this issue!

Foot dragging? Eight hours is foot dragging? It is unfortunate that the Tribal Entity, and lets be honest its not longer a Republic, has so little respect or confidence in the Federal System. I know those of you in the State want to drive a wedge between the former Republic and the Federation. But please... be a bit more transparent about it.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#26 - 2013-04-12 02:47:14 UTC
This is an irrational and reckless move made by the RSS, making a request for the detainee is one matter, a reasonable matter at that, this is simply stupid.


The Minmatar have time and again asked for others to respect their traditions and customs, this is a time where they must return the favour and let the Federal justice system do its job.


On a side note I am glad to see Brigadier General Korachi back in service after the incident at Caldari Prime.

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#27 - 2013-04-12 04:29:32 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Of course the Shakorite regime wants the perpetrator in their custody as soon as possible. It makes it so much easier to prevent them talking that way.


Came here to say this, but you beat me to it. Smile

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James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#28 - 2013-04-12 04:37:08 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Of course the Shakorite regime wants the perpetrator in their custody as soon as possible. It makes it so much easier to prevent them talking that way.

An interesting assessment. It is curious why “they” are so impatient to get their hands on the alleged perpetrator. Even to the point of risking war with those they profess to be allies.

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#29 - 2013-04-12 05:58:52 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Of course the Shakorite regime wants the perpetrator in their custody as soon as possible. It makes it so much easier to prevent them talking that way.

An interesting assessment. It is curious why “they” are so impatient to get their hands on the alleged perpetrator. Even to the point of risking war with those they profess to be allies.



It's in Shakorites' style of dealing with things. They prove to be nothing but warmongering brutes, over and over again; concepts of tact, protocol and justice are lost on such.


When you take into account that ms. Midular was among the victims of the attack, I think calling it an assassination rather than a 'lone crazy gunman incident' would be far more precise.

As I said above, it's Shakor's way of dealing with things. I don't see why his political opposition would be an exception in any way.
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Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN
#30 - 2013-04-12 06:30:29 UTC
The Minmatar want to be the next empire to send a fleet to invade Luminaire? Some ally...
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#31 - 2013-04-12 07:43:03 UTC
Yarod Cool wrote:
The Minmatar want to be the next empire to send a fleet to invade Luminaire? Some ally...

So far they didn't do nothing stupid yet.

CEO of Lanate Industries

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Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-04-12 08:06:35 UTC
The Republic flaunting it's fraught incompetence is hardly news.

In a way this is amusing to me. The RSS mimic a petulant, unruly hound, waddling away in dejection after being sprayed by Daddy DED for growling at it's mother Federation.

Ridiculous, convoluted, capricious demon of a republic. Look at what the Minmatar Republic are without it's watchmen. Remember Yulai. I hope that from this, the Federation take a lesson about the nature of their allies. Such an impulsive, warlike nation cannot be allowed to exist without a firm hand at the leash and a diligent board of whistle-blowers. They will not respect your judicial process, Gallenteans, the terrorist state only know one purpose in life, and that is to destroy. They will walk over you like they walked over the Amarrian peace treaty if you allow them the chance.

I beseech my good brothers and sisters; look around you. For those of you who love peace, who strive for our Minmatar ideals, please look around you and realize that the Republic is not a home for you. It is a lying, violent ***** and it will corrupt your hard work, steal the sweat from your brow and with it fuel it's senseless war engine.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2013-04-12 10:05:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyn Farel
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Christine Anderson wrote:
Sources from Colelie report that a Republic Security Service task force jumped into Federal space there. After a brief confrontation with the Federation Navy, the Directive Enforcement Division intervened and the situation resolved with perhaps only feelings hurt.



Wait, so CONCORD stopped a Matari fleet after crossing a sovereign border unilaterally?

Wonders never cease.


For now it is hard to tell if it was the single DED battleship presence or other exterior factors that eventually leaded the RSS fleet to withdraw.

I watched everything and it mostly looked slightly artificial, almost theatrical, on the RSS side.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-04-12 11:13:16 UTC
Grandstanding is a tool that works, otherwise it wouldn't be used. I wouldn't be surprised if the RSS did this fully expecting to be turned back, just to score some popularity with the home crowd. Sounds cynical, but politics is a big part of the Republic and speaking as an outsider the emotion surrounding the wounding of Karin Midular is impressive. If the Republic hadn't been seen to react then it wouldn't have gone down well with the man on the street.

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Author of The Deathworlders

BloodBird
The Crucible.
#35 - 2013-04-12 11:21:44 UTC  |  Edited by: BloodBird
Halete wrote:
*snip*


The Angel sympathizer still disapprove of the Republic and would like to remind us of this with a predictable thunder-speech.

Like clockwork.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-04-12 11:35:22 UTC
BloodBird wrote:

The Angel sympathizer still disapprove of the Republic and would like to remind us of this with a predictable thunder-speech.

Like clockwork.


Your ignorance is unassailable. Make not a pest of yourself; your dim-witted, ill researched personal attack isn't even thinly disguised as a credible counter-argument.

I do not sympathize with the Angels. But this is a fact I've already illustrated to you as thoroughly as I am able to, and in spite of our previous exchanges you persist to hold to your tinted fantasies.

So I suppose that it comes as no surprise then that when confronted with evidence of the Republic's character that you should also ignore this.

Strange creature. It forms it's own opinions with little basis in logic and then holds true to those opinions in the spite of further proofs against their stance.


"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-04-12 13:54:08 UTC
I'm honestly just happy that cooler heads prevailed and neither side opened fire. Hopefully, in time, the matter can be resolved diplomatically.

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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#38 - 2013-04-12 13:57:05 UTC
BloodBird wrote:
Halete wrote:
*snip*


The Angel sympathizer still disapprove of the Republic and would like to remind us of this with a predictable thunder-speech.

Like clockwork.


Nah, I don't remember Halete being all pro-Angel. Their CEO is, or was. Made a retraction statement on the IGS a while back, after the Evaulon incidents.

Of course, capsuleers are somewhat flexible in their loyalties at any given point.

Get their CEO to clarify things here on the IGS, that'll sort out your confusion.

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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#39 - 2013-04-12 14:26:03 UTC
Halete, I think it is possible that you may be confusing Bloodbird for Andreus.

I don't normally read every post on the IGS (because I have vastly better things to do with my time), so it's possible I missed it, but I really only recall you having those arguments with Andy.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Aidari Flamesight
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-04-12 14:36:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidari Flamesight
I'm glad that there wasn't an exchange of fire, though still disappointed we didn't get our man.

But hey, now New Eden knows we don't screw around. Still odd how some think we do but whatever.

"Do not count days, do not count miles, count only the number of slaves you freed."