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Stop re-releasing "limited edition" ships

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LOL56
STK Scientific
The Initiative.
#41 - 2013-04-12 00:11:39 UTC
Why waste database space and art access in order to have ships no one will ever fly
None ofthe Above
#42 - 2013-04-12 00:30:49 UTC
Nova Satar wrote:
Yusef Yeasef Yosef wrote:
Risk should apply to collectables as well.

There is always a risk of some more being found/released, so invest at your own risk.
Nothing in eve should be risk free.


not really the right kind of risk though..... Devs making changes at a whim? Thats like saying theres risk in PVE is ccp halved rat bounties every now and then


Or say devs changing the construction costs of a ship, or eliminating drone poo or anything else they've changed over the last ten years.

You are not entitled to nobody ever making or offering another one of these items, unless they've made an EXPLICIT promise as part of the deal.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
JellyMons
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-04-12 00:46:19 UTC  |  Edited by: JellyMons
I do feel like the devs purposely take advantage of the in game market value of these items.

Step 1: Release a few ships tied to a fairly exclusive promotion.

Step 2: Wait until they are all tucked away or destroyed by the foolish and market prices rise to crazy heights.

Step 3: Release as part of another money making promotion and profit while shitting on your fans.

Option step: Continue along down the slippery slope until you are selling eye-wear for the cost of a dreadnought and your playerbase falls apart.

Oh yeah. Doing this to items also lessens the success of future promotions. Most of the ships CCP gives out are useless in game besides the novelty of owning one. Take that away and why even bother?
dark heartt
#44 - 2013-04-12 01:07:29 UTC
Nova Satar wrote:

People have huge interest in ships like the Guardian Vexor of which i think only 1 still exists?



There's more than one around, but it's impossible to know how many, as there may be some on inactive accounts and some people may have more than one. One was recently lost in the hold of a cargo ship and the collective response was rage at the person who thought to do that haha.

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#45 - 2013-04-12 01:32:41 UTC
I think we are long overdue for the return of the Gold Magnate. There's thousands of Gold Magnates on the Chinese server.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
MrDiao
Fuxi Legion
Fraternity.
#46 - 2013-04-12 02:13:45 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
MrDiao wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:

And I would imagine it doesn't take too much time to make them since they are intentionally weak or clones of existing cheaper ships and in some cases even use already existing visual assets.


Do you include Gnosis, Etana, Echelon , Zephyr , or the pirate noobships?

Gnosis - Isn't this just a scaled up version of an asset already in NPC use?

Etana - Existing hull, with V3 it seems creating new variants for ship skins became easier (or so I was led to believe by the blog about it) so I'd still qualify this as reduced visual effort. The balance effort to make it desirable from a stat perspective on the other hand was justified by it's place as an earned reward in the AT.

Echelon/Zephyr - They exemplify the "exceptionally weak" portion, to the point that I'd have a hard time thinking that there was any long period of time balancing them, but I will concede they required new art assets. You could also include the Primae in this catagory as it was created before the noctis and at the time doesn't seem it was slated to have another ship created for wider use based off the hull.

Pirate noob ships - All weak variants of existing assets, which aer actually the best example of my point when viewed as a whole


I listing these ships not only because some of them costs extra art work, more important, they have the role that you can't find cheaper variants to replace with.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#47 - 2013-04-12 02:20:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
I will say that CCP has, on occasion, irritated me, as a collector. Not by re-releasing things to the game, but by simply flat out deleting my stuff and giving me nothing at all, or something worth next to nothing, in return.

Before T2 mining drones came out, I had a collection of rare and oddball drones. Mining Drone: Advanced, Hellhound, etc.

CCP has pretty much deleted everything but the harvester drones, and them I suspect they left due to the massive freak out that would take place.

Now, granted, many of these were 'unplanned' releases. Others were super rare drops. And some of them cost as much THEN as a Guardian Vexor does NOW.

But CCP happily deleted them and replaced them with things like: Mining Drone II.

I don't mind losing my ass because I took a ship out of my hanger and lost it. I DO mind when CCP opens my hanger and divests me of billions of isk just because they can.
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#48 - 2013-04-12 02:39:42 UTC
Gogela wrote:
I think we are long overdue for the return of the Gold Magnate. There's thousands of Gold Magnates on the Chinese server.


I hope that was sarcasm.

Oh, and on the bright side, Quafe Catalysts weren't available before.

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Captain Muscles
Clan Farthammer
#49 - 2013-04-12 06:44:10 UTC
This thread should be renamed "Same ****, Different Day." It works on so many levels. :)
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#50 - 2013-04-12 07:33:16 UTC
Nova Satar wrote:
the post above sums everything up.

The destroyers are just todays example, they have released plenty of special and limited editions over time but then closed production runs thus making them a collectable. Now today announce they are suddenly giving out more as buddy program rewards!

it just seems when it comes to draining a few more dollars out the playerbase, anything is possible. Like the guy said above, in 3 years time will they be giving away Adrestias t everyone who buys a pack of 20 plex? probably not, but the point is you can't be sure.


But aren't the catalysts firts ships with NPC skins(that CCP showed on the last fanfest), i dont think there purpose is to be limited to some colection item.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#51 - 2013-04-12 08:01:18 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
The re-releasing of limited edition items is extremely frustrating to rare item collectors such as myself.
[snip]
Then the snowball launchers that got needlessly deleted to make room for the new festival launcher (destroying hundreds of billions in rare collections)
[snip]
Can I be certain that alliance tournament ships won't be re-released in a future buddy programme? Can I be certain the state issue ships won't be given away as part of some ******** PLEX promotion?


With the exception of the Festival Launchers (which was rather annoying) none of these promotions actually affect your collection. What they change is the ISK value of your collection.

If you're collecting for the sake of having a collection then this promotion should not cause you frustration, if on the other hand you're collecting purely as a business venture, an ISK investment, then there should be a risk to that, no investment should be that safe, and these additional promotions provide some of that risk.

I would be very glad to see new releases of the tournament ships and Guardian Vexors - if for no other reason than I once had the chance to buy a Guardian-Vexor for less than 100 mil (which was more than I'd ever seen at the time) and only discovered after the opportunity had passed that several corpies would have loaned me the money given the value of the ship at the time...
Alara IonStorm
#52 - 2013-04-12 08:09:14 UTC
LOL56 wrote:
Why waste database space and art access in order to have ships no one will ever fly

This.

Collector skins and modified hulls are different but actual ships.

I would like to see a mass produced Gnosis, mass produced Pirate Ships based on those Noob Frigates and mass produced Zephyrs. Limited Issue and Special Stat items are great for collectors, I own quite a few of them. But does anyone wish they made the Noctis a limited release instead of the Primae...

Ships like the Gnosis should be a series part of EVE for many years to come, not 99.99% a hanger ornament after 3 months.
Turelus
Utassi Security
#53 - 2013-04-12 08:54:49 UTC
LOL56 wrote:
Why waste database space and art access in order to have ships no one will ever fly

Turelus CEO Utassi Security
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#54 - 2013-04-12 09:23:10 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
[I'm asking CCP to communicate ahead of time which items are special and which are not. Communicating by giving mixed signals then re-releasing items at random as some kind of "lesson" is not good communication. CCP's current approach marginalizes my style of gameplay, so what's the lesson I'm supposed to take from that? That collecting rare items is not a legitimate occupation in EVE Online?

They did communicate, however what they have never said is that the items are single-run limited items.

Also, nice overcoat.

Nyan
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#55 - 2013-04-12 12:25:30 UTC
Oh man, I can't wait for the tears when CCP uses the old State battleships and the guardian vexor as prizes for the next AT
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-04-12 12:29:54 UTC
JellyMons wrote:
...I do feel like the devs purposely take advantage of the in game market value of these items...
Are you saying a bunch of ISK rich players have been scammed!!! In Eve!!! Say it isn't so. Shocked
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#57 - 2013-04-12 12:34:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty Bear
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
JellyMons wrote:
...I do feel like the devs purposely take advantage of the in game market value of these items...
Are you saying a bunch of ISK rich players have been scammed!!! In Eve!!! Say it isn't so. Shocked






faith in humanity ......


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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#58 - 2013-04-12 12:44:15 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Nova Satar wrote:
Seriously CCP, can you STOP re-releasing supposed "limited edition" ships everytime you want to squeeze for an extra buck.

What is the point of running a promotion stating "only 1000 ships made" if 6 months later you start giving them out again. It completely detracts from the whole point.

Release a batch, close production, and never make them again. This way people will have an incentive to actually try and get hold of them.

What did I miss this time?

Please give more info on any recent reissues.

Mr Epeen Cool


I seem to have missed it too, anyone got a link?
Venom13Games
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-04-12 12:46:49 UTC
CCP Nadir wrote:
Let me take this opportunity to say. . . . . . .the Quafe Catalyst is now available as a reward for the Buddy program.

The new "Catalyst Collection" reward option includes all of the following,


  • Quafe Catalyst
  • Intaki Catalyst
  • Inner Zone Shipping Catalyst
  • Aliastra Catalyst
  • Interbus Catalyst
  • Catalyst




https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=218879&find=unread
Reiisha
#60 - 2013-04-12 13:06:50 UTC
Speculation is risky...

As it's supposed to be.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...