EVE New Citizens Q&A

I suppose people do it for fun, it's always fun killing other players. It may have been targeted against new players - but from memory suicide ganking in a new player system is not allowed, so you could always petition it if it occurred in one of those systems and see what happens.

What annoys me with the tutorial is that it doesn't teach new players like yourself things related to PvP, like warping your pod off. In hi-sec, it's pretty much impossible to lose your pod if you know how to get it out correctly as soon as your ship blows up, so really, you should have just lost your ship and gotten out with your pod totally fine, but sadly the tutorial doesn't really teach that.

Did he really suicide ganked you or you just fell in some trap of aggro games? I'm not sure about it but I think BC should show his loss of incursus to CONCORD after he exploded you although I am not sure if loses to NPC are automatically pulled from API.

On the other hand why didn't you warp your pod away when he started to shoot you? Were you AFK or just shocked? :)

My advice is to stop whining about it and get back to having fun. It is a sandbox game, not everybody shooting you does it because he is RL psycho, this game is about pixel explosions after all. You mine minerals that most probably will be used to shoot somebody and this time you were that somebody.

Podding someone prompts them to spend ISK on clone reactivation costs, and they might aquire a new set of implants. They do this for the same reason I would shoot ratting newbie frigates in lowsec. I sell newbie ratting frigates in a system close by. It's just business, and a way to create more demand, barring the occasional anti-social 'for teh lulz' gank off course. Best to just shrug those off, deny your killer some tears and move on. Took me a while to stop worrying and love the bomb too, but there you have it.

Likely low or aggro mechanic thing. Getting a ship and Pod before CONCORD shows up...very hard.

It was in Vey.
Op. Everybody has a different way to have fun in this game. Some even love whine threads.

Look at my edit.

Also I never blamed pirates....I love Pirates *Yarr*.

I'm thinking something related to dueling or loot thief mechanic. As with 0.8 CONCORD is pretty quickly to respond to an act of aggression.

They do it because:

- It's a PVP game, and they are PVP'ing. Your question is like asking why the other player is taking your pieces in a game of chess. This is EVE, it's the way the game is.

- Veteran players can also get in a Venture and put a 1 billion ISK blueprint in the cargo hold, then try to pretend to be newbies. It takes multiple clicks and several seconds to check who's who and what's in the cargo, and by then they have escaped. So most people don't bother checking; there's no time. They see a ship they can take, they shoot it, sort through the cargo and the personality later.

- Blowing up someone's POD is hard; the POD aligns and warps away almost instantly, and it takes the pirates several seconds to try to target-lock it to blow it up. If you're at the keyboard and clicking the warp-away button it's almost impossible to get you. Of course, if you're afk and sitting there motionless, that's a different matter. Killing the POD has the advantage of sending the person back to their home station so they can't sit in the area of the fight and spy on ship setups or spout insults on the local channels for having been killed. It also causes some ISK loss to the victim, which drives the implants economy and is part of the game.

- They are pirates; what can you expect of pirates?

Get revenge.

Doesn't have to be today or tomorrow, could be a year from now.

Revenge is as good a goal as any in eve./

Hello Linji Delahaye Gello,

If you have a moment could you provide more details as to what happened?

You should have something listed in your combat log that will show who and what killed you and your pod.

The reason I ask is because the situation changes the advice and suggestions on how one can counter that situation.

What were your losses? Which implants did you lose?

Now, you asked some direct questions as to why do players do this. The simple answer is, in a nutshell, because they can.

Is it profitable? No, it isn't. Not at all.

Is it a money maker? Nope. Is it done without risk? If this happened in highsec (system security rating of 0.5 or higher) then, yes, but only in that there is a 100% guarantee that the aggressor WILL lose their ship. Since it is guaranteed then there is no actual risk as such. There is definitely a penalty or price to pay to do it.

For someone to suicide gank a venture and your pod means that they probably lost far more in terms of ISK value than you did.

Hopefully you can look passed the loss of your ship (it's a set back yes but it isn't crippling you can get another venture from doing the tutorial mission again at another starter system: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems) and your implants and see that this gives you one more reason to play: payback.

Plus, you've gained experience in having to always be on your toes which is very important. Since your pod was popped I'd guess that you were either not at your computer or you did what I did the first time I lost a ship - frozen in bewilderment / confusion.

The next time this thing happens (chances are you will lose another ship to a player at some point in the future) as your ship gets destroyed and you can't warp away in it target a celestial body (sun, planet, moon (if you aren't in low or 0.0), asteroid field, station, star gate, whatever) and start mashing warp to. When your ship gets destroyed your pod will immediately warp off if you're doing this.

Good luck with your future in EVE and I hope that you come back and provide us with some more details.

I have done the suicide ganking thing.

From an ISK perspective it costs ~1.5 million to put together a tech 1 catalyst with standard fittings.

A venture costs ~400k (250k for the ship plus 150k for fittings) to put together.

A tech 1 catalyst should be able to kill a venture (assuming the venture has no tank at all) in a single volley assuming all level 5 skills. With lesser skills it should still be popped in a single volley. Should.

If the venture has a single extended shield - then it will take just under 12 seconds (plus lock time if the pirate is low enough in negative security status to be draw CONCORD or Faction Police) to kill as a reasonable skilled tech 1 catalyst pilot.

You have roughly 13 seconds in a 0.8 system to blow up a ship. That means a tech 1 catalyst can just barely blow up a shield extended venture in a 0.8 system. In a 0.9 system it might be done with overheating and a better catalyst fit but that drives up the price rapidly.

Anyway, all that to indicate that a tech 1 catalyst worth ~1.5 million can kill a ~400k venture in a 0.8 system or lower.

Assuming there is another pilot (your own or a friend) on grid to scoop up the loot you get the following on average: 500k worth of fittings / 2 for the catalyst. So 250k (possible loot depending on the loot faerie) and 150k worth of fittings / 2 for the venture so 75k.

Possible loot of a venture ~325k at a cost of 1.5 million.

Of course, if the venture has something like faction mods or tech 2 fittings the value rises accordingly. The price of a catalyst rises as well. A meta 4 catalyst can cost ~5 million. A tech 2 catalyst is around 10 million if I recall correctly.

Therefore, suicide ganking of ventures is not a profitable business.

Even suicide ganking of mackinaws isn't necessarily profitable. It can be if one cherry picks the mack and gets lucky with the loot faerie plus salvage. But, for the most part, one breaks even doing suicide ganks vs mining vessels. Again, you -can- be profitable if you are selective with who you target and if you scoop the loot before others.

But, that's a soft cost of another 500 million ISK / month or so (second account) that tends to be ignored by many. It's a real cost though. If you have a partner that means you are splitting the profits as well.

As an aside, for a reasonably skilled pilot (signature analysis 3) in a catalyst it takes 4.5 seconds which translates into 5 seconds to lock a pod or 3 seconds with a sensor booster. That means one cannot pod in a tech 1 catalyst a venture pilot in a 0.8 system or a 0.7 system before getting CONCORDED. It's not for certain in a 0.6 system either in a tech 1 catalyst.

Don't take these numbers and response times as set in stone since I'm just going by memory. There are other factors involved in CONCORD response times as well but those are the average times as I remember them to be.

Either you're doing something to make yourself a target, usually flying something far more expensive than it needs to be, or you did something specifically to anger someone so much that they're intentionally harassing you, e.g. mouthing off rudely in general chat, etc.



Not really an answer to the question, but on a related note, this much crying over losing one of the cheapest ships in the game sort of indicates that this is a bad game for you, in all honesty I would kind of advise you find something else to play.



See the answer to the first question.



Bounties do not work that way.

Additionally, suiciding does not work that way. If they're suiciding you they have lost, at minimum, a relatively well-armed frigate (to kill your frigate) to the CONCORD response, which is inevitably going to have been much more expensive than your ship in this case.



If you're paying even a modicum of attention in a high-sec area and you're flying a frigate, suicide ganking is essentially impossible. The fact that it even worked on you and you didn't warp out with more than enough time to spare is kinda... well, entirely your fault, even a mining frigate warps essentially instantly.