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Lets face it: NOT VOTING IN CSM8 IS A VOTE FOR NULL SEC BLOCKS

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#21 - 2013-04-12 08:46:57 UTC
Blocs.

As in, the Eastern Bloc.

It isn't complicated.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#22 - 2013-04-12 08:47:34 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
dark heartt wrote:
Null needs representation at the moment. I don't live there and even I can see that. Hell I'm a "carebear" and I can see that.


NULL has had overwelming representation the past 3 CSM's.... why's it now different then the last 3 years ( or does NULL need more representation every moment?) ? It sure didn't save us from IncarnaAttention


When was the Incarna project started?

(Hint, not during the last 3 CSMs)

Oh and CSM 5 was hardly "overwhelmingly nullsec".

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#23 - 2013-04-12 08:48:49 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Malcanis wrote:


Darth is absolutely correct. Whenever you read a post from someone trying to persaude you not to vote, as yourself:


Who benefits if you don't vote?


I hope I make this clear I want every person in NULL SEC to vote too! I imagine many in HI sec actually agree with NULL SEC priciples ( I do myself but not all Shocked ) voter Apathy is no diferent from gamer Apathy so vote how you want the games future to be even if you think it should be radically different from my game style.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#24 - 2013-04-12 08:50:08 UTC
You'd be better off spamming local in Empire than yet another thread telling people to vote. It's all the carebears that don't even visit the forum that you should be looking to convince.

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-04-12 08:51:07 UTC
Last I checked, CSM 5 was the one that made us go "hey, wait a minute, this is bullshit" and get involved, because that CSM was making recommendations for changes which were made from ignorance on how nullsec works, and which were actively detrimental to nullsec.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Dave stark
#26 - 2013-04-12 08:53:31 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
You'd be better off spamming local in Empire than yet another thread telling people to vote. It's all the carebears that don't even visit the forum that you should be looking to convince.


part of me hopes they don't vote. have you noticed most of the dumb ideas that pop up on the forums are from high sec players and/or npc alts?

not that null sec players don't occasionally come up with stupid ideas, but not so nearly as frequently as high sec players.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#27 - 2013-04-12 08:54:53 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
The CSM not being able to stop something that was not disclosed to them is evidence of... what, exactly?


I'm batman :D... It was not disclosed???? & you got that from which NDA breaker Roll


I got it from actually paying attention during the kerfuffle 2 summers ago. The CSM was very clear in saying that CCP didn't consult them about pricing of the vanity "microtransactions."

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-04-12 08:57:33 UTC
Dude, your eye.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#29 - 2013-04-12 09:00:44 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
You'd be better off spamming local in Empire than yet another thread telling people to vote. It's all the carebears that don't even visit the forum that you should be looking to convince.


part of me hopes they don't vote. have you noticed most of the dumb ideas that pop up on the forums are from high sec players and/or npc alts?

not that null sec players don't occasionally come up with stupid ideas, but not so nearly as frequently as high sec players.

That's mainly because they use their high-sec alts and npc-corp alts to post them, lest they reflect badly on their image in the alliance hierarchy.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#30 - 2013-04-12 09:01:08 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Last I checked, CSM 5 was the one that made us go "hey, wait a minute, this is bullshit" and get involved, because that CSM was making recommendations for changes which were made from ignorance on how nullsec works, and which were actively detrimental to nullsec.


It might be better to say that the nullsec people who were in CSM 5 had a different vision of sov 0.0

Luckily, the political meta has advanced somewhat since then.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#31 - 2013-04-12 09:03:37 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Dude, your eye.


Grateful fellow Monocleers purchased it for me.

The bruise from shoving it in is taking a remarkably long time to heal.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Dave stark
#32 - 2013-04-12 09:05:08 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
You'd be better off spamming local in Empire than yet another thread telling people to vote. It's all the carebears that don't even visit the forum that you should be looking to convince.


part of me hopes they don't vote. have you noticed most of the dumb ideas that pop up on the forums are from high sec players and/or npc alts?

not that null sec players don't occasionally come up with stupid ideas, but not so nearly as frequently as high sec players.

That's mainly because they use their high-sec alts and npc-corp alts to post them, lest they reflect badly on their image in the alliance hierarchy.


fair point.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#33 - 2013-04-12 09:08:30 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
You'd be better off spamming local in Empire than yet another thread telling people to vote. It's all the carebears that don't even visit the forum that you should be looking to convince.


part of me hopes they don't vote. have you noticed most of the dumb ideas that pop up on the forums are from high sec players and/or npc alts?

not that null sec players don't occasionally come up with stupid ideas, but not so nearly as frequently as high sec players.

That's mainly because they use their high-sec alts and npc-corp alts to post them, lest they reflect badly on their image in the alliance hierarchy.


A delightfully unfalsifiable assertion.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#34 - 2013-04-12 10:10:38 UTC
Nice attempt at reverse psychology.
Frying Doom
#35 - 2013-04-12 10:14:23 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
dark heartt wrote:
Null needs representation at the moment. I don't live there and even I can see that. Hell I'm a "carebear" and I can see that.


NULL has had overwelming representation the past 3 CSM's.... why's it now different then the last 3 years ( or does NULL need more representation every moment?) ? It sure didn't save us from IncarnaAttention


When was the Incarna project started?

(Hint, not during the last 3 CSMs)

Oh and CSM 5 was hardly "overwhelmingly nullsec".

When compared to CSM 7, I would say that it was. Not that that is really saying anything.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#36 - 2013-04-12 10:21:06 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Oh, I almost forgot: and yet I want CCP to perform some tweaks (or as some tryhard sperg'll loudly whine about if given half a chance, nerfs, which will KILL HISEC/THE GAME (because, of course, any nerf to hisec will kill hisec/the game)) to hisec to pave the way for much more interesting gameplay changes in null.

And let's not forget the sov system. And the POS reaction UI.

Yes it is a well know fact that any idea voiced from Null sec will:


  • Be bad for the game
  • Cause people to unsub
  • Give to much income to those people in Null sec
  • Expand the big blue donut
  • Kill the rainforest
  • Murder the whales
  • Send the Earth spiraling into the sun.


So with these facts you can see why so many Hi-sec people vote, and why it is imperative more voices are heard.

Like anyone that hasn't already voted or has decided not to vote, will read this Lol

Apathetic towards the forums and voting.

We need a badge for the forums for people who don't vote, so we can get a year telling them "STFU, this is your fault. You didn't vote"

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Dave stark
#37 - 2013-04-12 10:29:37 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
We need a badge for the forums for people who don't vote, so we can get a year telling them "STFU, this is your fault. You didn't vote"


this!
Prince Kobol
#38 - 2013-04-12 10:38:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
DarthNefarius wrote:
This is the last weekend of the CSM8 elections if you don't vote you are effectively the reason those that did vote will have more say then you did will. With the way game mechanics forces those in NULL to have to organize to survive means they'll have an overwelming organizational advatage even though the majority of Eve does live in HI SEC, then NULL then LO SEC then WH's ( I'm not sure but WH population may be overtaking lo soon if trends continue, guess we'll see what Dr E says @ Fanfest if the demographics are still the same or WH's have overtaken lo population after the FW nerf) .

Voter apathy is part & parcel to the game mainly due to mechanics which naturally fragment the largest populations of EVE but still it doesn't have to mean CSM's votes have to only garner <20% of the electorate to vote. Do yourself a favor & vote even if its only for 1 or 2 slots & not the whole 14 slate.


Made me giggle :)

Unless somehow a large % of Eve players first bothered to visit these forums, then bothered to read your post, then bothered to read all about the CSM to see what its all about, then bothered to read up on each candidate and then finally decide to vote, it still most likely still wont make any difference and those who have alliance backing will still get their seat on the CSM

They always have and always will.

The only good thing about the CSM is that it can make for slightly more interesting forum threads and that's about it.. oh yeah it also made kittens upset and showed a lot of people that Michael Bolton really really really needs to get laid.. (not necessary with a woman, just with something, anything, please for god sakes somebody get this man laid)
Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-04-12 10:41:12 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Lets face it: NOT VOTING IN CSM8 IS A VOTE FOR NULL SEC BLOCKS.
I am confused. Where does that leave me? Ugh

I voted and one of my choices was Malcanis and another was a member of the Goonswarm Federation.

Obviously I am evil for voting for someone from the null sec block, especially the demonic Goonswarm, but would I have been less evil if I hadn't voted?

Blink
Frying Doom
#40 - 2013-04-12 10:43:12 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
This is the last weekend of the CSM8 elections if you don't vote you are effectively the reason those that did vote will have more say then you did will. With the way game mechanics forces those in NULL to have to organize to survive means they'll have an overwelming organizational advatage even though the majority of Eve does live in HI SEC, then NULL then LO SEC then WH's ( I'm not sure but WH population may be overtaking lo soon if trends continue, guess we'll see what Dr E says @ Fanfest if the demographics are still the same or WH's have overtaken lo population after the FW nerf) .

Voter apathy is part & parcel to the game mainly due to mechanics which naturally fragment the largest populations of EVE but still it doesn't have to mean CSM's votes have to only garner <20% of the electorate to vote. Do yourself a favor & vote even if its only for 1 or 2 slots & not the whole 14 slate.


Made me giggle :)

Unless somehow a large % of Eve players first bothered to visit these forums, then bothered to read your post, then bothered to read all about the CSM to see what its all about, then bothered to read up on each candidate and then finally decide to vote, it still most likely still wont make any difference and those who have alliance backing will still get their seat on the CSM

They always have and always will.

Always is a very long time.

Anyway a massively Null dominated CSM that actually gets Null fixed would not be a bad thing as the trickle down effect, would also effect wormholes and Lo-sec. On top of that if Hi-sec got a few nerfs the apathetic bastards might vote next year, especially if they had the fact, it was their fault for not voting rubbed into their face for a year.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!