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Lets face it: NOT VOTING IN CSM8 IS A VOTE FOR NULL SEC BLOCKS

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#1 - 2013-04-12 07:20:47 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Voting link: http://bit.ly/vote-ripard
This is the last weekend of the CSM8 elections if you don't vote you are effectively the reason those that did vote will have more say then you did will. With the way game mechanics forces those in NULL to have to organize to survive means they'll have an overwelming organizational advatage even though the majority of Eve does live in HI SEC, then NULL then LO SEC then WH's ( I'm not sure but WH population may be overtaking lo soon if trends continue, guess we'll see what Dr E says @ Fanfest if the demographics are still the same or WH's have overtaken lo population after the FW nerf) .

Voter apathy is part & parcel to the game mainly due to mechanics which naturally fragment the largest populations of EVE but still it doesn't have to mean CSM's votes have to only garner <20% of the electorate to vote. Do yourself a favor & vote even if its only for 1 or 2 slots & not the whole 14 slate.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-04-12 07:37:58 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
This is the last weekend of the CSM8 elections if you don't vote you are effectively the reason those that did vote will have more say then you did will. With the way game mechanics forces those in NULL to have to organize to survive means they'll have an overwelming organizational advatage even though the majority of Eve does live in HI SEC, then NULL then LO SEC then WH's ( I'm not sure but WH population may be overtaking lo soon if things continue) .

Voter apathy is part & parcel to the game mainly due to mechanics which naturally fragment the largest populations of EVE but still it doesn't have to mean CSM's votes have to only garner >20% of the electorate to vote. Do yourself a favor & vote even if its only for 1 or 2 slots & not the whole 14 slate.


That soapbox you're standing on looks pretty worn out and ragged, fyi
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#3 - 2013-04-12 07:48:00 UTC
GallowsCalibrator wrote:

That soapbox you're standing on looks pretty worn out and ragged, fyi


Well its no worse then most you'll see in Trafalgar square and although I could try to make it look shinier its no more or less relavant as politics go SO I'M STICKING TO IT!
So please vote even if you don't think your vote aint worth jack because it really is P
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#4 - 2013-04-12 08:01:38 UTC
And you expect yelling at the people who already read the forums is going to improve voter turnout, why?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Anunzi
Solace Corp
#5 - 2013-04-12 08:07:48 UTC


DarthNefarius wrote:
This is the last weekend of the CSM8 elections if you don't vote you are effectively the reason those that did vote will have more say then you did will. With the way game mechanics forces those in NULL to have to organize to survive means they'll have an overwelming organizational advatage even though the majority of Eve does live in HI SEC, then NULL then LO SEC then WH's ( I'm not sure but WH population may be overtaking lo soon if trends continue, guess we'll see what Dr E says @ Fanfest if the demographics are still the same or WH's have overtaken lo population after the FW nerf) .

Voter apathy is part & parcel to the game mainly due to mechanics which naturally fragment the largest populations of EVE but still it doesn't have to mean CSM's votes have to only garner >20% of the electorate to vote. Do yourself a favor & vote even if its only for 1 or 2 slots & not the whole 14 slate.


While I agree with your general premise, not voting is voting for null, I disagree with your statement that “the majority of EVE lives in highsec”.
I know this has been bandied around this forum for a long time, but I just don’t see it. Sure, I think the majority of characters are in hi sec. but given what I see in my own corp and from the people I talk to here, a huge percentage of the characters in hi sec are null and lowsec alts.

I have 5 chars across 2 accounts. 2 of them are in Null in TRIBE. The rest are in high sec. Does that make me a highsec player even tho both my mains live in null?


Fake Edit : Holy crap, did I just open a post by agreeing with DarthNefarius about something?!

"It was the way she said it, Rimmer, to rhyme with scum"
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-04-12 08:09:13 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
And you expect yelling at the people who already read the forums is going to improve voter turnout, why?
Because he's BATMAN !
dark heartt
#7 - 2013-04-12 08:09:17 UTC
Null needs representation at the moment. I don't live there and even I can see that. Hell I'm a "carebear" and I can see that.

http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#8 - 2013-04-12 08:11:48 UTC
And that's bad because CCP blindly follows through with whatever the CSM proposes, no matter how one sided, biased and imbalanced it may be.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-04-12 08:14:11 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
And that's bad because CCP blindly follows through with whatever the CSM proposes, no matter how one sided, biased and imbalanced it may be.
*lol*
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2013-04-12 08:15:12 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
This is the last weekend of the CSM8 elections if you don't vote you are effectively the reason those that did vote will have more say then you did will. With the way game mechanics forces those in NULL to have to organize to survive means they'll have an overwelming organizational advatage even though the majority of Eve does live in HI SEC, then NULL then LO SEC then WH's ( I'm not sure but WH population may be overtaking lo soon if trends continue, guess we'll see what Dr E says @ Fanfest if the demographics are still the same or WH's have overtaken lo population after the FW nerf) .

Voter apathy is part & parcel to the game mainly due to mechanics which naturally fragment the largest populations of EVE but still it doesn't have to mean CSM's votes have to only garner <20% of the electorate to vote. Do yourself a favor & vote even if its only for 1 or 2 slots & not the whole 14 slate.


Low Sec has no direct CSM representation in this election. However screaming the obvious will get you nowhere. Until players themselves demand specific changes little will be different in terms of all players being equally listened to.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#11 - 2013-04-12 08:19:22 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
dark heartt wrote:
Null needs representation at the moment. I don't live there and even I can see that. Hell I'm a "carebear" and I can see that.


NULL has had overwelming representation the past 3 CSM's.... why's it now different then the last 3 years ( or does NULL need more representation every moment?) ? It sure didn't save us from IncarnaAttention
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#12 - 2013-04-12 08:27:45 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
And you expect yelling at the people who already read the forums is going to improve voter turnout, why?
Because he's BATMAN !


Nananananannananananananananananana!


DarthNefarius wrote:
NULL has had overwelming representation the past 3 CSM's.... why's it now different then the last 3 years? It sure didn't save us from IncarnaAttention


The CSM not being able to stop something that was not disclosed to them is evidence of... what, exactly?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#13 - 2013-04-12 08:34:38 UTC
OP do you ever get bored of using the same ****** gimmick?
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#14 - 2013-04-12 08:34:53 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
RubyPorto wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
And you expect yelling at the people who already read the forums is going to improve voter turnout, why?
Because he's BATMAN !


Nananananannananananananananananana!


DarthNefarius wrote:
NULL has had overwelming representation the past 3 CSM's.... why's it now different then the last 3 years? It sure didn't save us from IncarnaAttention


The CSM not being able to stop something that was not disclosed to them is evidence of... what, exactly?


I'm batman :D... It was not disclosed???? & you got that from which NDA breaker Roll

Arkon Olacar wrote:
OP do you ever get bored of using the same ****** gimmick?


If the truth is a gimmick then no I'll never get bored of using it.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-04-12 08:37:34 UTC
Anunzi wrote:
While I agree with your general premise, not voting is voting for null, I disagree with your statement that “the majority of EVE lives in highsec”.
I know this has been bandied around this forum for a long time, but I just don’t see it. Sure, I think the majority of characters are in hi sec. but given what I see in my own corp and from the people I talk to here, a huge percentage of the characters in hi sec are null and lowsec alts.

I have 5 chars across 2 accounts. 2 of them are in Null in TRIBE. The rest are in high sec. Does that make me a highsec player even tho both my mains live in null?

I have 7 chars, 2 of which live (and currently reside) in null. If anything, I spend more time logged in on my hisec chars. I guess that makes me part of the 75% or whatever number is torn out of one's ass this time.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Dave Stark
#16 - 2013-04-12 08:41:12 UTC
strangely, i think the OP might have a point. (then again, i only read the first sentence.)

whether that point actually means anything, is another matter.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#17 - 2013-04-12 08:42:00 UTC
I think the null blocks will make a huge impact and perhaps even overwhelmingly. But I still do it.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#18 - 2013-04-12 08:42:50 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
This is the last weekend of the CSM8 elections if you don't vote you are effectively the reason those that did vote will have more say then you did will. With the way game mechanics forces those in NULL to have to organize to survive means they'll have an overwelming organizational advatage even though the majority of Eve does live in HI SEC, then NULL then LO SEC then WH's ( I'm not sure but WH population may be overtaking lo soon if trends continue, guess we'll see what Dr E says @ Fanfest if the demographics are still the same or WH's have overtaken lo population after the FW nerf) .

Voter apathy is part & parcel to the game mainly due to mechanics which naturally fragment the largest populations of EVE but still it doesn't have to mean CSM's votes have to only garner <20% of the electorate to vote. Do yourself a favor & vote even if its only for 1 or 2 slots & not the whole 14 slate.


Darth is absolutely correct. Whenever you read a post from someone trying to persaude you not to vote, as yourself:


Who benefits if you don't vote?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-04-12 08:43:58 UTC
Oh, I almost forgot: and yet I want CCP to perform some tweaks (or as some tryhard sperg'll loudly whine about if given half a chance, nerfs, which will KILL HISEC/THE GAME (because, of course, any nerf to hisec will kill hisec/the game)) to hisec to pave the way for much more interesting gameplay changes in null.

And let's not forget the sov system. And the POS reaction UI.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Dave Stark
#20 - 2013-04-12 08:45:16 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
This is the last weekend of the CSM8 elections if you don't vote you are effectively the reason those that did vote will have more say then you did will. With the way game mechanics forces those in NULL to have to organize to survive means they'll have an overwelming organizational advatage even though the majority of Eve does live in HI SEC, then NULL then LO SEC then WH's ( I'm not sure but WH population may be overtaking lo soon if trends continue, guess we'll see what Dr E says @ Fanfest if the demographics are still the same or WH's have overtaken lo population after the FW nerf) .

Voter apathy is part & parcel to the game mainly due to mechanics which naturally fragment the largest populations of EVE but still it doesn't have to mean CSM's votes have to only garner <20% of the electorate to vote. Do yourself a favor & vote even if its only for 1 or 2 slots & not the whole 14 slate.


Darth is absolutely correct. Whenever you read a post from someone trying to persaude you not to vote, as yourself:


Who benefits if you don't vote?


easy, the people you weren't going to vote for if you'd bothered to fill the ballot in.
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