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Multi-Boxing Incursion Vanguard sites w/ ISBoxer

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Stan'din
Pandemic Alpha
#21 - 2013-04-11 15:36:26 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
How well do they contest?



Not well i am guessing

Your about as much use as a condom dispenser in the Vatican.

0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#22 - 2013-04-11 17:16:21 UTC
I'm gonna give the ISO boxer proxy catalyst solo suicide 20 man gank squad a this weekend. I have 20 trial accounts banging out the skills now. Lag won't be an issue as long as all 20 accounts react within 5 to 10 seconds. If anyone else wants to try along side me send me an in game message. 40 Catalysts ganks with no subscription fee's split amongst 2 players wreaks of profit.

I bet we can get ISO boxer on a ban list very soon after doing this
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#23 - 2013-04-11 17:32:50 UTC
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
I'm gonna give the ISO boxer proxy catalyst solo suicide 20 man gank squad a this weekend. I have 20 trial accounts banging out the skills now. Lag won't be an issue as long as all 20 accounts react within 5 to 10 seconds. If anyone else wants to try along side me send me an in game message. 40 Catalysts ganks with no subscription fee's split amongst 2 players wreaks of profit.

I bet we can get ISO boxer on a ban list very soon after doing this



More likely that you'll get yourself banned for using disposable trial accounts to suicide gank before you get Isboxer banned. Trial gankers are against the rules.

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **

handige harrie
Vereenigde Handels Compagnie
#24 - 2013-04-11 21:06:31 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
I'm gonna give the ISO boxer proxy catalyst solo suicide 20 man gank squad a this weekend. I have 20 trial accounts banging out the skills now. Lag won't be an issue as long as all 20 accounts react within 5 to 10 seconds. If anyone else wants to try along side me send me an in game message. 40 Catalysts ganks with no subscription fee's split amongst 2 players wreaks of profit.

I bet we can get ISO boxer on a ban list very soon after doing this



More likely that you'll get yourself banned for using disposable trial accounts to suicide gank before you get Isboxer banned. Trial gankers are against the rules.



were does the somethingstate you can't suicide gank with trial accounts? as long as you don't recycle them, I don't see how you break any rules.

Baddest poster ever

Alekksander Geinesa
Divine Mortals
#25 - 2013-04-11 21:11:10 UTC
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
I'm gonna give the ISO boxer proxy catalyst solo suicide 20 man gank squad a this weekend. I have 20 trial accounts banging out the skills now. Lag won't be an issue as long as all 20 accounts react within 5 to 10 seconds. If anyone else wants to try along side me send me an in game message. 40 Catalysts ganks with no subscription fee's split amongst 2 players wreaks of profit.

I bet we can get ISO boxer on a ban list very soon after doing this



Also its very obvious that you have no idea how a proxy really works. You will need 20 different proxies, not just one proxy haha!
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#26 - 2013-04-11 21:22:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
handige harrie wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
I'm gonna give the ISO boxer proxy catalyst solo suicide 20 man gank squad a this weekend. I have 20 trial accounts banging out the skills now. Lag won't be an issue as long as all 20 accounts react within 5 to 10 seconds. If anyone else wants to try along side me send me an in game message. 40 Catalysts ganks with no subscription fee's split amongst 2 players wreaks of profit.

I bet we can get ISO boxer on a ban list very soon after doing this



More likely that you'll get yourself banned for using disposable trial accounts to suicide gank before you get Isboxer banned. Trial gankers are against the rules.



were does the somethingstate you can't suicide gank with trial accounts? as long as you don't recycle them, I don't see how you break any rules.


You are not allowed to have more than one trial account running at the same time, if CCP finds out you somehow worked around that, expect a banhammer, temp-ban if you are lucky.

Stating you intend to game the trial account system by running 20 trial accounts via ISBoxer in CCPs forum was probably not such a good idea.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Trial_account_issues

CCP wrote:

Furthermore, you can only have one trial account running on the same computer at any given time.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

handige harrie
Vereenigde Handels Compagnie
#27 - 2013-04-11 21:58:15 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
handige harrie wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
I'm gonna give the ISO boxer proxy catalyst solo suicide 20 man gank squad a this weekend. I have 20 trial accounts banging out the skills now. Lag won't be an issue as long as all 20 accounts react within 5 to 10 seconds. If anyone else wants to try along side me send me an in game message. 40 Catalysts ganks with no subscription fee's split amongst 2 players wreaks of profit.

I bet we can get ISO boxer on a ban list very soon after doing this



More likely that you'll get yourself banned for using disposable trial accounts to suicide gank before you get Isboxer banned. Trial gankers are against the rules.



were does the somethingstate you can't suicide gank with trial accounts? as long as you don't recycle them, I don't see how you break any rules.



CCP wrote:

Furthermore, you can only have one trial account running on the same computer at any given time.



So you are allowed to gank with trial accounts. you just aren't allowed to run multiple trial accounts at the same time.

Which is kinda a big difference, although it leads to the same outcome.

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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#28 - 2013-04-11 22:21:58 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Threads promoting cheating should be banned.


I was looking into starting a fleet of these, from what I've seen you still have to press 3 buttons to keep it legal under the EULA:

1 Button does a simple:
Undock, Warp to Belt

Another extremely minor assistant:
The 1 Button Lock, Approach, and start mining, (interrupting at 50% of the cycle)

And finally the not even a script really:
1 Button Cargo Check, and restart miners, else dock, unload cargo, and repair all

Its just sending keystrokes across multiple clients which is still one click per action, that action is just multiplied across n clients.

Now with 100% less Troll.

xarjin
International Speciality Machines
#29 - 2013-04-11 23:01:59 UTC  |  Edited by: xarjin
Legality of multiboxing in eve with isboxer or other legitimate multiboxing software was challenged and accepted by a senior GM years ago.

If your mad because you cant multibox it's a hobby that you either wouldn't enjoy anyway or couldn't because of financial reasons or still owning a six year old "gaming" computer. Sorry i cant afford a Porche Carerra S either but it's fun for those than can.

The OP is doing a great service for the eve community by dedicating his time to transparently exposing how multiboxing works to people that don't understand it, actually believe that multiboxing is botting or cheating and to those that may actually enjoy trying it. Dilution of misinformation is a benefit to everyone in the eve community.

Don't risk your accounts trying to use throwaway alts if you value playing eve as you very well may be the person being banned for EULA violations.

Considering the senior GM Lelouch's stance on multiboxing having been updated within the last two months as stated below still supporting multiboxing in eve any attempts to violate the eula by using proxies and throwaway alts to protest allowed game behavior will likely not end favorably on your behalf.

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10#274

Quote:
Edited by: GM Lelouch on 18/02/2013 08:29:22
Addendum by GM Lelouch:
This post was originally written almost three years ago and as software/hardware evolves, so must our stance on what goes within our game. It has become increasingly difficult for us to track the capabilities of various pieces of software over the years as their number, as well as the features they offer, increase greatly in number.

In other words, it is unfortunately impractical for us to evaluate whether specific pieces of software can be used without breaking EVE's EULA/ToS. This post should not be taken as endorsement for utilizing specific pieces of software/hardware with EVE, but as a guideline to what is acceptable.

Our general stance towards the concept of multiboxing has not changed but we cannot guarantee that the EULA is being upheld should you use any of the software/hardware mentioned by name in this post, nor will we at EVE customer support be able to officially endorse or sanction specific third party multiboxing programs.

Players wishing to multibox are responsible for familiarizing themselves with our EULA and Terms of Service, the following clauses in particular are of much relevance to this topic:

EULA:
6. CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct
2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
3. You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

ToS:
21. You will not attempt to decipher, hack into or interfere with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers, nor will you try to create or use any third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game.

The old, out of date, post can be seen below as it originally appeared:

"Hello there,

To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times.

Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping).

An exceedingly complex G15 macro which would effectively automate gameplay, such as mining, without a need for the player to be present at his keyboard would be against the EULA, regardless of whether the player utilizing said macro is sitting at his keyboard at the time!

Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA.

I hope this clears up this matter."
Olf Barrenbur
Guardians of Asceticism
#30 - 2013-04-11 23:12:45 UTC
I can't wait until someone starts suicide ganking freighters with IS Boxer (With subbed accounts of course). Oh, the tears.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#31 - 2013-04-11 23:27:28 UTC
handige harrie wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
handige harrie wrote:

were does the somethingstate you can't suicide gank with trial accounts? as long as you don't recycle them, I don't see how you break any rules.



CCP wrote:

Furthermore, you can only have one trial account running on the same computer at any given time.



So you are allowed to gank with trial accounts. you just aren't allowed to run multiple trial accounts at the same time.

Which is kinda a big difference, although it leads to the same outcome.


You cannot use a disposable account to circumvent the negative sec loss status of your main account.

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **

xarjin
International Speciality Machines
#32 - 2013-04-11 23:29:53 UTC  |  Edited by: xarjin
Olf Barrenbur wrote:
I can't wait until someone starts suicide ganking freighters with IS Boxer (With subbed accounts of course). Oh, the tears.


There's one veteran player in eve who's multiboxer that i learned of recently that flies 20 tempests, owns two titans and three or four supercarriers. He's no less of a target than someone with one account.

The beauty of eve's game mechanics and pvp balance dont give any one person with 20 accounts more of an outright advantage over 20 players with one account.

There's likely a few Cap ship builders that multibox jump freighters to transport minerals to nullsec. If someone could manage to gank a frieghter as a multiboxer they don't get any more isk returned from pend insurance than 5 players ganking a freighter.

Inflicting and receiving tears are part of the fun of it Big smile
0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#33 - 2013-04-12 09:07:57 UTC
Yeah so it sounds like going through a proxy would be a ban so uhm I'm chickening out of this one. Maybe I will do a 5 man T1 tornado squad with sub'd accounts and only sub the extra accounts when I fancy doing high sec ganking. Just have an intesive 1 month sucide gank month every so often?

If anyone is intrested in joing me send me an eve mail and we can set up a small squad.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#34 - 2013-04-12 11:33:18 UTC
Ban ISBotters

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culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-04-12 11:36:27 UTC
Roime wrote:
Ban ISBotters

Please do learn what a "Bot" is before you use the term.

Also you could do the same thing, i really don't see the issue here.

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 

Herr Esiq
Viziam
#36 - 2013-04-12 11:49:59 UTC
Hannah Flex wrote:
congrats on soloing an MMO

Quite ironic that so many people like this post, as people use alts for capitals/missions/offgrid boosting/trading toon and much more. Yet ISBoxer gets frowned upon when people use it.

I do agree with your post and so far i've been flying alt-less. Its actually harder and takes more time to do even some 'trivial' tasks like having a gate scouted. I assume you do the same.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-04-12 12:12:47 UTC
culo duro wrote:
Roime wrote:
Ban ISBotters

Please do learn what a "Bot" is before you use the term.

Also you could do the same thing, i really don't see the issue here.


I think he wants you to clean up his drool.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#38 - 2013-04-12 12:17:50 UTC
Roime wrote:
Ban ISBotters
They already do.
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-04-12 12:25:14 UTC
So why is it people hate ISBoxer?

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#40 - 2013-04-12 12:42:10 UTC
culo duro wrote:
Roime wrote:
Ban ISBotters

Please do learn what a "Bot" is before you use the term.

Also you could do the same thing, i really don't see the issue here.


In this context, ie. facilitating multiboxing on a scale which is not possible via normal gameplay- A program that sends control messages to a game client.

Sure, run as many clients as you like, just don't expect everyone to accept that you use a program to control the clients.

Ban ISBotters

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