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Something I never quite understood about certain ship classes.
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Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-04-11 02:00:49 UTC
Specifically I'm talking about the relationship between:
Assault Frigs vs Navy Frigs
and
HACs vs Navy Cruisers

The other T2 classes have a specialty of some kind in mind whereas the navy versions of ships seem to be boosted slightly in combat capabilities in comparison to their T1 counterparts .
So where does AFs and HACs fall in? Is there a specific type of combat in mind that navy versions won't out-perform in some way or is there an overlap problem with the roles of these ships?
I'm hoping when T2 ships get balanced that CCP has in mind a way to make AFs and HACs stand on there own without being simply a private sector version of a navy ship.
If someone here knows what the intended difference is between these ships, I would like to hear from you.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#2 - 2013-04-11 02:12:11 UTC  |  Edited by: RavenPaine
In my experience, anything that is Navy Issue, will have a better tank. Ether with slot layout or base hitpoints.

T2 versions will have base tank, but typically they will have a DPS bonus somewhere.

Pirate versions have multiple bonus' that usually include damage and e-war.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#3 - 2013-04-11 02:32:10 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
In my experience, anything that is Navy Issue, will have a better tank. Ether with slot layout or base hitpoints.

T2 versions will have base tank, but typically they will have a DPS bonus somewhere.

Pirate versions have multiple bonus' that usually include damage and e-war.

Going off of this, AF's and HAC's also get sexy T2 resists that make them a joy to have in gangs with logi support

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Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-04-11 17:39:08 UTC
True, the resists are sexy.
Steel Roamer
Southern Baptist Space Warrior Collective.
V0IDLINGS
#5 - 2013-04-11 18:45:37 UTC
Only advantage that HACs have ATM over Pirate and Navy ships are the resists.

Hopefully this changes.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#6 - 2013-04-11 18:59:29 UTC
AFs just got rebalanced. Their niche has been high dps and high tank in exchange for being the bulkiest frigate. I don't think faction frigates are really comparable in either department, despite the high base hp of faction ships.

We'll have to see what's in store for HACs. In my opinion HACs and navy cruisers are significantly different in a number of areas (the current navy vexor and the ishtar, and the stabber fleet issue and the vagabond are not comparable at all, for example). The current versions of the formerly tier-1 navy cruisers aren't really worth mentioning at all.

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Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#7 - 2013-04-11 21:05:49 UTC
AF's are direct competitors to cruisers, trading a little DPS and EHP for mobility, but filling the same approximate role and (fully fitted) price range. DPS and heavy tackle are their areas of expertise. Navy/Pirate frigates on the other hand, are straight line upgrades to t1 frigs, and excel at blistering high speed, tackle, and moderate DPS (moderate in the small gang sense; they are beasts compared to other frigates).

HAC's are badly out of date, and are sad puppies due to the cruiser rebalance. This is to be expected, since they started the rebalance at the bottom of t1 and are moving up, but it will be fixed soon. What role they fill I'm unsure of; their role as flashy, speedy Battlecruisers has been completely outclassed by the Attack BC's, so I'm not sure where they will fit in. Dev philosophy is that Faction ships are generalists, and t2 are specialists, but how and in what role is unknown until they get around to the t2 ships.

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Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-04-11 22:10:56 UTC
Ines Tegator wrote:
AF's are direct competitors to cruisers, trading a little DPS and EHP for mobility, but filling the same approximate role and (fully fitted) price range. DPS and heavy tackle are their areas of expertise. Navy/Pirate frigates on the other hand, are straight line upgrades to t1 frigs, and excel at blistering high speed, tackle, and moderate DPS (moderate in the small gang sense; they are beasts compared to other frigates).

HAC's are badly out of date, and are sad puppies due to the cruiser rebalance. This is to be expected, since they started the rebalance at the bottom of t1 and are moving up, but it will be fixed soon. What role they fill I'm unsure of; their role as flashy, speedy Battlecruisers has been completely outclassed by the Attack BC's, so I'm not sure where they will fit in. Dev philosophy is that Faction ships are generalists, and t2 are specialists, but how and in what role is unknown until they get around to the t2 ships.

That clears it up for AFs. Now its just a matter of time to see what's in store for HACs.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-04-12 00:51:42 UTC
t2 ships also have 4 bonuses instead of 2

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Kalihira
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#10 - 2013-04-12 07:17:49 UTC
Ines Tegator wrote:
AF's are direct competitors to cruisers, trading a little DPS and EHP for mobility, but filling the same approximate role and (fully fitted) price range. DPS and heavy tackle are their areas of expertise. Navy/Pirate frigates on the other hand, are straight line upgrades to t1 frigs, and excel at blistering high speed, tackle, and moderate DPS (moderate in the small gang sense; they are beasts compared to other frigates).

HAC's are badly out of date, and are sad puppies due to the cruiser rebalance. This is to be expected, since they started the rebalance at the bottom of t1 and are moving up, but it will be fixed soon. What role they fill I'm unsure of; their role as flashy, speedy Battlecruisers has been completely outclassed by the Attack BC's, so I'm not sure where they will fit in. Dev philosophy is that Faction ships are generalists, and t2 are specialists, but how and in what role is unknown until they get around to the t2 ships.


HACs arent as bad as you make them out to be, apart from the caldari ones, which are really broken. The role of HACs are what their name say the are, all out combat ships, with tank and spank, small sig (hence AHAC gangs) and speed. T1 (combat)cruisers might be good these days, but no where near the performance of HACs. I do agree with you that they need some tweaking left and right...