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Guardian-Vexor Maybe??
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DemonIdk Bloodhawk
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-04-11 13:29:30 UTC
With all the Ship re-balancing in eve, I was wondering what people thought about a Small Stepping stone from Drone Ships to Carriers? Be it a remake of the old Guardian-Vexor or a new Battleship class ship with +1 drone control per level.

I've looked at posts like https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2514412#post2514412 and understand the points made for and against it. But something seems to be missing as you go down the line to Carriers.
Maybe a Guardian-Vexor style ship, or a tech 2 version. Maybe a Role Bonus for Reduction of CPU / Powergrid of a Drone Control Units Module. Maybe Adding a Subsystem for the tech 3's that Gives this role bonus.

I hope i sparked an idea or two for someone and maybe we can see something down the road.

Thanks for taking the time to read this. Fly Safe!
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-04-11 13:54:19 UTC
The dominix is about as good of a stone as one could ask for.

CCP doesn't like adding drones and for good reason: They cause lag. Lots of lag.

It's why drones were reduced years ago (imagine a battleship able to release 10 drones)

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#3 - 2013-04-11 15:35:49 UTC
Yeah, if there's ever such a thing as a stepping-stone to carriers, the Domi (or Rsnake) would be the closest analogy.

This of course ignores the fact that that carriers (and capitals in general) require vastly different handling than one would commit to when flying a BS. A carrier involves more then just spewing drones, and these greater aspects are not something which a Dominix wouldn't prep you for at all.
Torskelrak
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#4 - 2013-04-11 16:07:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Torskelrak
Vincent Gaines wrote:
The dominix is about as good of a stone as one could ask for.

CCP doesn't like adding drones and for good reason: They cause lag. Lots of lag.

It's why drones were reduced years ago (imagine a battleship able to release 10 drones)


Doesn't need to be 10 drones. Maybe have a bonus that at lvl5 you can fit a drone control unit to have 1 extra drone or 2. Just to increase the DPS slightly.. Doesn't need to be massive but if they are going down the route of having 3 role types for the different manufacturers then CreoDron boats will struggle to match the other companies for applicable DPS..
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#5 - 2013-04-11 17:56:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
adding a 6th drone or otherwise releasing more drones is nearly indistinguishable from increasing the size of the standard HP/Damage bonus. This is not a new role. Carriers have special reasons for going the way of having an increased control limit that do not apply to subcap drone boats. There is no "missing link" that needs to be filled. This is a bad idea and CCP would never consider it.

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Kenpo
The Guardians of the Beam
#6 - 2013-04-11 18:51:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenpo
Vincent Gaines wrote:
The dominix is about as good of a stone as one could ask for.

CCP doesn't like adding drones and for good reason: They cause lag. Lots of lag.

It's why drones were reduced years ago (imagine a battleship able to release 10 drones)


yes that was years ago, however with vast improvments in the netcode/faster connection speeds, and being 10 years later hardware wise, it might be worth looking into to bring back the 10 drone limit for subcaps again. Needless to say I was less than pleased when they reduced the drone limit to begin with. Besides the current implementation and control is in dire need of updating anyway.

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sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-04-11 20:18:31 UTC
Batelle wrote:
adding a 6th drone or otherwise releasing more drones is nearly indistinguishable from increasing the side of the standard HP/Damage bonus. This is not a new role. Carriers have special reasons for going the way of having an increased control limit that do not apply to subcap drone boats. There is no "missing link" that needs to be filled. This is a bad idea and CCP would never consider it.


Tell them young noob, you know it all.Cool

After all, it's not like doneboats used to have little swarms surrounding them. But that's before you were born, thus didn't happen.Lol
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#8 - 2013-04-11 20:33:14 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Tell them young noob, you know it all.Cool

After all, it's not like doneboats used to have little swarms surrounding them. But that's before you were born, thus didn't happen.Lol


Take issue with the tone of my response if you like, but don't call me uninformed unless you're prepared to actually disagree with the substance of my post.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-04-11 20:43:30 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Batelle wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Tell them young noob, you know it all.Cool

After all, it's not like doneboats used to have little swarms surrounding them. But that's before you were born, thus didn't happen.Lol


Take issue with the tone of my response if you like, but don't call me uninformed unless you're prepared to actually disagree with the substance of my post.


Carriers have no "special reason" and your post has no substance. You're just against it for no reason, because you've known nothing else than the current status quo, for which there's no longer any purpose in keeping.
Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#10 - 2013-04-11 20:58:21 UTC
This is an old idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=escort%20carrier&forumID=270

It has potential, but noone has figured out how to balance it.

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Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#11 - 2013-04-11 21:16:09 UTC
Kenpo wrote:
yes that was years ago, however with vast improvments in the netcode/faster connection speeds, and being 10 years later hardware wise, it might be worth looking into to bring back the 10 drone limit for subcaps again. Needless to say I was less than pleased when they reduced the drone limit to begin with. Besides the current implementation and control is in dire need of updating anyway.

I'm guessing you don't do much large scale fleet combat... With 3000 ships battling it out, each capable of using 5 drones it still lags with time dilation. Adding another 5 drones would just make it unbearable again. I may not have been around when it was 10 drones (still been with the game longer than this character), but adding more drones for subcaps will not solve subcap drone usage in any way.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-04-12 01:17:17 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Kosetzu wrote:
Kenpo wrote:
yes that was years ago, however with vast improvments in the netcode/faster connection speeds, and being 10 years later hardware wise, it might be worth looking into to bring back the 10 drone limit for subcaps again. Needless to say I was less than pleased when they reduced the drone limit to begin with. Besides the current implementation and control is in dire need of updating anyway.

I'm guessing you don't do much large scale fleet combat... With 3000 ships battling it out, each capable of using 5 drones it still lags with time dilation. Adding another 5 drones would just make it unbearable again. I may not have been around when it was 10 drones (still been with the game longer than this character), but adding more drones for subcaps will not solve subcap drone usage in any way.


The lag is from ppl, not drones. New drone handling serverside count drones that you put on the same target as a single entity, whether 1 or 10. That is the whole point.

Unless you split your drones to more than 5 targets, breaking 5 drone cap adds no additional server load.
San Badgeros
Badgeros Holdings
#13 - 2013-04-12 06:57:51 UTC
Never mind 10 drones, the Domi could fling out 15 based on skills... granted they were only a third as powerful as drones today.

Back in the day when I was a youngling I got it up to 13 before the rebalance (not nerf) kicked in. I considered whinging and then thought: 1. No one would listen; 2. No one would care and 3. It was better for the servers of the time.

Leave it as is

Besides, can you imagine how hard it would be micromanaging your drones when there's 10 of the buggers getting aggro...

SB
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2013-04-12 12:41:45 UTC
An ISD pretty strongly suggested there were plans to rerelease the GV in the limited edition ships thread, fwiw.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-04-12 18:34:08 UTC
San Badgeros wrote:
Never mind 10 drones, the Domi could fling out 15 based on skills... granted they were only a third as powerful as drones today.

Back in the day when I was a youngling I got it up to 13 before the rebalance (not nerf) kicked in. I considered whinging and then thought: 1. No one would listen; 2. No one would care and 3. It was better for the servers of the time.

Leave it as is

Besides, can you imagine how hard it would be micromanaging your drones when there's 10 of the buggers getting aggro...

SB


It's a nerf. Balance is relative. Drone output from nondrone boats with tiny bay got much more powerful than before, while droneboats stood still. Btw, if you got a buff, as the majority did, will you whine?
dam yaiy
Doppelganger Misfortune
#16 - 2013-04-12 20:18:49 UTC
Fellow Podheads,

I think the drone boat has been over looked for awhile. There is nothing really differentiating them from what there known for it's particular niche in EVE space would be. Adding damage buffs to drones only makes them bigger targets during an engagement. cause as we all know it may take just about a month to train the one skill that increases the damage they take. How ever they still go down fairly quickly when in the heat of battle. Giving drone boats an extra drone controlled per skill level would be something I think CCP would want to put back since it was part of the game that was just to far ahead of its time to be done right. Since time has passed and the technology now allows for it , it should be put back into the game. It doesn't have to be just one race either. It can be any boat designated as just that! a drone carrier. Lets bring the drone swarms back! Ten drones for me 1600mm Plate Rolled Tungsten Vexor Yar Har Har Har!!!!