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Stop re-releasing "limited edition" ships

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Nova Satar
Pator Tech School
#1 - 2013-04-11 17:22:08 UTC
Seriously CCP, can you STOP re-releasing supposed "limited edition" ships everytime you want to squeeze for an extra buck.

What is the point of running a promotion stating "only 1000 ships made" if 6 months later you start giving them out again. It completely detracts from the whole point.

Release a batch, close production, and never make them again. This way people will have an incentive to actually try and get hold of them.
flakeys
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-04-11 17:26:43 UTC
Nova Satar wrote:
Seriously CCP, can you STOP re-releasing supposed "limited edition" ships everytime you want to squeeze for an extra buck.

What is the point of running a promotion stating "only 1000 ships made" if 6 months later you start giving them out again. It completely detracts from the whole point.

Release a batch, close production, and never make them again. This way people will have an incentive to actually try and get hold of them.


But then they'll have to be creative and like make new ships and all Shocked

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3 - 2013-04-11 17:37:37 UTC
Nova Satar wrote:
Seriously CCP, can you STOP re-releasing supposed "limited edition" ships everytime you want to squeeze for an extra buck.

What is the point of running a promotion stating "only 1000 ships made" if 6 months later you start giving them out again. It completely detracts from the whole point.

Release a batch, close production, and never make them again. This way people will have an incentive to actually try and get hold of them.

What did I miss this time?

Please give more info on any recent reissues.

Mr Epeen Cool
iskflakes
#4 - 2013-04-11 17:48:57 UTC  |  Edited by: iskflakes
The re-releasing of limited edition items is extremely frustrating to rare item collectors such as myself.

First the ishukone shirts, and the 3 months it took for an official CCP reimbursement. Then then women's red/black coats (no reimbursement provided). Then the echelon, sansha codebreaker, primae. Then the snowball launchers that got needlessly deleted to make room for the new festival launcher (destroying hundreds of billions in rare collections). Today -- CCP act to destroy the value of these rare destroyers.

CCP, I don't give a damn what you choose to release or not, but you need to tell us whether an item is actually special edition, or whether it's just a limited release. Right now the echelon and these catalysts are in the "special edition" section of the market which strongly implied that no more of them would ever be created. At the very least there is huge ambiguity here.

I don't want to hear about how you can't give us guarantees -- you can. It would be trivial for you to come out and say that items X, Y and Z would not be re-released. Can I be certain that alliance tournament ships won't be re-released in a future buddy programme? Can I be certain the state issue ships won't be given away as part of some ******** PLEX promotion? Can I be certain I won't wake up to find all players have received T2 BPOs as part of a holiday gift?

CCP, there is no need for this uncertainty. Your current approach is destructive towards the style of play of all item collectors across New Eden.

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Nova Satar
Pator Tech School
#5 - 2013-04-11 17:54:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Satar
the post above sums everything up.

The destroyers are just todays example, they have released plenty of special and limited editions over time but then closed production runs thus making them a collectable. Now today announce they are suddenly giving out more as buddy program rewards!

it just seems when it comes to draining a few more dollars out the playerbase, anything is possible. Like the guy said above, in 3 years time will they be giving away Adrestias t everyone who buys a pack of 20 plex? probably not, but the point is you can't be sure.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#6 - 2013-04-11 17:57:29 UTC
The first release had black borders and more rounded edges on the pixels.

The new ones are all foil bordered pixels.

If you were a true collector you could tell the difference.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

Nova Satar
Pator Tech School
#7 - 2013-04-11 17:58:59 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
The first release had black borders and more rounded edges on the pixels.

The new ones are all foil bordered pixels.

If you were a true collector you could tell the difference.


Im not actually a collector, but i just feel annoyed on behalf of the people who are when i keep seeing it happen.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#8 - 2013-04-11 18:04:47 UTC
Nova Satar wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
The first release had black borders and more rounded edges on the pixels.

The new ones are all foil bordered pixels.

If you were a true collector you could tell the difference.


Im not actually a collector, but i just feel annoyed on behalf of the people who are when i keep seeing it happen.


It wasn't specifically directed at you either, your post just snuck in before mine did while I was writing.

I understand collectors items that you can invest in and take down to the local comic/card store or pawnbroker ... I have a bit of trouble taking in-game collectors items too seriously though.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

Nova Satar
Pator Tech School
#9 - 2013-04-11 18:08:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Satar
War Kitten wrote:
Nova Satar wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
The first release had black borders and more rounded edges on the pixels.

The new ones are all foil bordered pixels.

If you were a true collector you could tell the difference.


Im not actually a collector, but i just feel annoyed on behalf of the people who are when i keep seeing it happen.


It wasn't specifically directed at you either, your post just snuck in before mine did while I was writing.

I understand collectors items that you can invest in and take down to the local comic/card store or pawnbroker ... I have a bit of trouble taking in-game collectors items too seriously though.


It's one of the biggest isk activities in eve, players pay hundreds of billions for the rarest items and get great enjoyment out of it. There are thousands of items which some can prove very tricky to get hold of, it makes for a cool dynamic and very interesting trades.

People have huge interest in ships like the Guardian Vexor of which i think only 1 still exists? And the Luxry Opus yacht perhaps? (somebody im sure will correct me). This only happens because back when they were released CCP were more interested in a diverse game, than they were in flogging limited editions ships down the drain to get a few more trial accounts in the bag.

Todays rare ships would never have reached this point if they kept getting rolled out over and over as marketing promo tat
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#10 - 2013-04-11 18:11:25 UTC
Nova Satar wrote:
What is the point of running a promotion stating "only 1000 ships made" if 6 months later you start giving them out again.
Have they ever run such a promotion, though?

iskflakes wrote:
First the ishukone shirts, and the 3 months it took for an official CCP reimbursement. Then then women's red/black coats (no reimbursement provided). Then the echelon, sansha codebreaker, primae. Then the snowball launchers that got needlessly deleted to make room for the new festival launcher (destroying hundreds of billions in rare collections).
Lesson provided: special-event items are not “limited editions”. Lesson learned: none.

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Right now the echelon and these catalysts are in the "special edition" section of the forums market which strongly implied that no more of them would ever be created.
No. It just implies that they're not something that's not produced in-game.

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Can I be certain that alliance tournament ships won't be re-released in a future buddy programme? Can I be certain the state issue ships won't be given away as part of some ******** PLEX promotion? Can I be certain I won't wake up to find all players have received T2 BPOs as part of a holiday gift?
No.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#11 - 2013-04-11 18:18:00 UTC
I'd be fairly peeved if they suddenly made the Interbus Shuttle available for "PLEX".

Us geeks tend to be collectors of things, and CCP is geek as well, so I have a hard time understanding their mindset behind this latest escapade.

It is certainly going to make me rethink things when there is another limited ship available for any reason.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

iskflakes
#12 - 2013-04-11 18:29:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Have they ever run such a promotion, though?


Yes, ishukone shirts come to mind.

Tippia wrote:
Lesson provided: special-event items are not “limited editions”. Lesson learned: none.


I'm asking CCP to communicate ahead of time which items are special and which are not. Communicating by giving mixed signals then re-releasing items at random as some kind of "lesson" is not good communication. CCP's current approach marginalizes my style of gameplay, so what's the lesson I'm supposed to take from that? That collecting rare items is not a legitimate occupation in EVE Online?

Tippia wrote:
No. It just implies that they're not something that's not produced in-game.


You see "special edition" and think one thing, I see it and think another. My point was this whole system is completely ambiguous, so I'll take this as further evidence of that fact. As I stated before I don't mind what CCP do as long as they make it clear which ships are special and which are not.

Tippia wrote:
No.


Again this is my whole point. I want to invest a huge amount of time in acquiring these rare items, but I can't do it if they get re-released every week. It wouldn't take much for CCP to remove the ambiguity.

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Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
#13 - 2013-04-11 18:31:11 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I'd be fairly peeved if they suddenly made the Interbus Shuttle available for "PLEX".

Us geeks tend to be collectors of things, and CCP is geek as well, so I have a hard time understanding their mindset behind this latest escapade.

It is certainly going to make me rethink things when there is another limited ship available for any reason.


The marketing department doesn't give a **** about your "geek" collections or Ravens that fire lasers at planets.

They just want your green.

Idea
Turelus
Utassi Security
#14 - 2013-04-11 18:32:25 UTC
Better yet, stop making limited edition ships which sit and gather dust in hangers. Roll

Turelus CEO Utassi Security

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#15 - 2013-04-11 18:32:40 UTC
Mr. Orange wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I'd be fairly peeved if they suddenly made the Interbus Shuttle available for "PLEX".

Us geeks tend to be collectors of things, and CCP is geek as well, so I have a hard time understanding their mindset behind this latest escapade.

It is certainly going to make me rethink things when there is another limited ship available for any reason.


The marketing department doesn't give a **** about your "geek" collections or Ravens that fire lasers at planets.

They just want your green.

Idea



Apparently so.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#16 - 2013-04-11 18:34:09 UTC
Turelus wrote:
Better yet, stop making limited edition ships which sit and gather dust in hangers. Roll



They make you angry, bro ?

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#17 - 2013-04-11 18:35:01 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
Yes, ishukone shirts come to mind.
You mean the people kept calling “limited edition” without ever showing where they got the idea that it was one?

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'm asking CCP to communicate ahead of time which items are special and which are not.
Simple: none of them are. Or well… sure, some are “special” in that they will not be produced in-game except for at the very end of days when all other ideas for player retention have been tried.

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You see "special edition" and think one thing, I see it and think another.
Guess which one lies closer to historical fact? Blink

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Again this is my whole point. I want to invest a huge amount of time in acquiring these rare items, but I can't do it if they get re-released every week.
And there's absolutely nothing to suggest that they will. They're just not limited editions, but rather your bog-standard promotional/vanity items that people still find a way to collect.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-04-11 18:35:26 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
The first release had black borders and more rounded edges on the pixels.

The new ones are all foil bordered pixels.

If you were a true collector you could tell the difference.



Lol magic the Gathering player? :P

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#19 - 2013-04-11 18:48:58 UTC
inb4 this turns into another tippia vs. XXXX thread

wumbo

ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#20 - 2013-04-11 18:49:55 UTC
I am also a collector so I appreciate what you are saying, but as long as they do not start being seeded they are still special /limited edition.
The risk we take as collector is re-issues and found caches of lost assets.
I want a guardian vexor for my collection, but if there's one left it will never happen.
If there is a limited re-release I might have the chance, and we might see one used in a tournament!

ISD Gallifreyan

Lt. Commander

Community Communication Liaisons (CCL)

Interstellar Services Department

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