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[Odyssey] Navy Battlecruisers

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David Kir
Hotbirds
#241 - 2013-04-11 15:47:10 UTC
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
I'm pretty sure we'll see:

Guristas Ferox
Serpentis Myrmidon
Angel Cyclone (Probably a new model)
Blood Raider Prophecy
Sansha Battlecruiser (Probably larger Phantasm)

So please stfu about the bloody myrmidon.


Guristas Ferox: could be.

Serpentis Myrmidon: funnily enough, that could be too.

Angel Cyclone: no way, we can't have an Angel ship as a missile boat. I really hope it's a new model.

Blood Raider Prophecy: oh lord make this be true.

And as for the Sansha BC: YEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS! Cap issues FOREVAH!

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.
Orion Wolff
Fukushima Industries
#242 - 2013-04-11 16:48:34 UTC
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
I'm pretty sure we'll see:

Guristas Ferox
Serpentis Myrmidon
Angel Cyclone (Probably a new model)
Blood Raider Prophecy
Sansha Battlecruiser (Probably larger Phantasm)

So please stfu about the bloody myrmidon.



This.
Shingorash
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#243 - 2013-04-11 16:50:17 UTC
Will they be limited edition though...
NinjaStyle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#244 - 2013-04-11 16:52:15 UTC
Askulf Joringer wrote:
NinjaStyle wrote:
Navy Drake 880 pg 8 launchers normal drake 800 pg 6 launchers.... Yeah makes sense right? or is it just surposed to not be able to fit thoese 2 extra launchers?

same amount of mids / lows makes the +80pg vs normal t1 look kinda bad

allso don't give us the old hurricane back and the brutix instead of myrm choice is bad since the brutix is still ****.


The point about the Drake is valid however I think the Idea is that you won't be fitting two LSE's, instead you will be fitting another resistance mod.

As for your point about the brutix... It's got enough grid to fit ions, mwd, small cap booster, scram, web, 1x 1600mm, 2x eanm, 1x dcuII, 1x explosive/reactive hardener, and 2x mag stabs. The ship is going to do very very well.


Brutix is still terrible becaus of it's really bad dmg projection due to insanely short range on Blasters there aren't Neutrons with Null..... so yeah of course another slow, fat and short ranged armor ship 4tw... it needs tons of tackle buddies and such to work in any way or form unless of course some guy rolls right up next to you and sticks his rear end out his window and lets you catch him So yeah making a Navy version!!!! (of doom i'm sure) will really help a Ton!

If Buhhdust Princess's hope is correct thoe i'd rather want a Serpentis Myrmidon thoe :P than a Navy Myrm
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#245 - 2013-04-11 17:03:31 UTC
how about instead of more pirate and navy variations, how about just some new pirate races? completely new ships

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
David Kir
Hotbirds
#246 - 2013-04-11 17:20:39 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
how about instead of more pirate and navy variations, how about just some new pirate races? completely new ships


Something minmatar/caldari (for a true missile pirate faction), and maybe gallente/amarr.

Or even some completely independent factions, with specific skills.

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.
StrongSmartSexy
Phenix Revolution
#247 - 2013-04-11 17:26:24 UTC  |  Edited by: StrongSmartSexy
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
how about instead of more pirate and navy variations, how about just some new pirate races? completely new ships

EoM deserves to be elevated to the same level of attention as Guristas, Serpentis etc. complete with their own set of ships.
http://www.ravestats.com/public/fen/EoM_Hydra.jpg

On-topic, the new navy drake is interesting and it's explosion radius bonus is the first of it's kind. It'll be interesting to see if other missile boats will ever get a bonus like this.
Leskit
Pure Victory
#248 - 2013-04-11 17:30:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Leskit
Mr Hyde113 wrote:

CCP Officially hates Amarr.

No Amarr BS has 8 lows. Megathron now has 8 lows.

Navy Brutix has 7/4/7, Navy Harb 7/5/6

Whats next? Abaddon with 8 Mids?



This. 8 lows was the amarr fitting thing that no one else had.
However, I will say that the 5th mid slot is a VERY welcome addition. It opens up more possibilities for a bash-your-face-in shield fit, or a cap booster+tackle, or ewar, or anti-ewar, etc.

I would have been OK with an optimal range bonus, but tracking will help get damage on target, something that a lot of amarr pilots overlook when up close.

On the brutix vs myrm: if they did the myrm, they could have done a drone+blasters. 6 bonused turrets w/ a ROF or tracking bonus, and 4 heavies with the usual drone bonus would be very scary indeed.

On the drake "not having enough PG": ccp doesn't want to bring back the old drake, that should be obvious. you'll need to chose dps or tank.

The price point had better be set really well, or they're going to be entirely too common, or not worth the isk.
David Kir
Hotbirds
#249 - 2013-04-11 17:30:50 UTC
StrongSmartSexy wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
how about instead of more pirate and navy variations, how about just some new pirate races? completely new ships

EoM deserves to be elevated to the same level of attention as Guristas, Serpentis etc. complete with their own set of ships.
http://www.ravestats.com/public/fen/EoM_Hydra.jpg



Hell yeah, EOM.

We already have 3 laser pirate factions, why not another hybrid one?

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.
Leskit
Pure Victory
#250 - 2013-04-11 17:39:44 UTC
David Kir wrote:
StrongSmartSexy wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
how about instead of more pirate and navy variations, how about just some new pirate races? completely new ships

EoM deserves to be elevated to the same level of attention as Guristas, Serpentis etc. complete with their own set of ships.
http://www.ravestats.com/public/fen/EoM_Hydra.jpg



Hell yeah, EOM.

We already have 3 laser pirate factions, why not another hybrid one?



the EOM always made me think of Khanid ham/torp ships. I wouldn't be opposed to an armor missile boat. Bring on the Black ships! I've been wanting a gallente/amarr cross race for a while. Imagine the armor bonuses!
Leskit
Pure Victory
#251 - 2013-04-11 17:49:59 UTC
David Kir wrote:
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
I'm pretty sure we'll see:

Guristas Ferox
Serpentis Myrmidon
Angel Cyclone (Probably a new model)
Blood Raider Prophecy
Sansha Battlecruiser (Probably larger Phantasm)

So please stfu about the bloody myrmidon.


Guristas Ferox: could be.

Serpentis Myrmidon: funnily enough, that could be too.

Angel Cyclone: no way, we can't have an Angel ship as a missile boat. I really hope it's a new model.

Blood Raider Prophecy: oh lord make this be true.

And as for the Sansha BC: YEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS! Cap issues FOREVAH!


I'd be OK with this, but they'd have to do a pass to fix the pirate cruisers first. The ashimmu and phantasm are hurting in a number of ways and need to be fixed before the introduction of more ships.
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#252 - 2013-04-11 17:50:26 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
how about instead of more pirate and navy variations, how about just some new pirate races? completely new ships


Maybe syndicate ships would be approriate, or some mordu's legion. We definitely don't need more amarr based boats.
Van Mathias
Dead Space Continuum
#253 - 2013-04-11 17:57:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Van Mathias
Jenn aSide wrote:
Askulf Joringer wrote:
Jonas Sukarala wrote:

- buff battleships tanks across the board by 25%.

Otherwise why use a bs when a navy bc will do the job better for similar price or less?


This is something that I was hoping CCP would address with the t1 BS revamp. ATM, BS are one of the most poorly tanked ships when talking about fleet level fights with logi support. Sure they have a bit more ehp compared to Cruisers/HACs/ and BCs however their massively increased sig and slower speed coupled with standard t1 resistances mean that they have some of the worst mitigation out there.

A 10% resistance buff to BS across the board would have been a healthy change imo.

+1


You gents are going to be disapointed, they are nerfing the Rokh's and Abaddon's tanks by removing 5% resist off the top. It looks like every other ship with a resist bonus is going to get the same treatment too, if the Navy Drake is any indication.

They also promised a thread to talk about this resist change, but have yet to deliver.

Post your advanced battleship ideas here!
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#254 - 2013-04-11 18:24:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonas Sukarala
Van Mathias wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Askulf Joringer wrote:
Jonas Sukarala wrote:

- buff battleships tanks across the board by 25%.

Otherwise why use a bs when a navy bc will do the job better for similar price or less?


This is something that I was hoping CCP would address with the t1 BS revamp. ATM, BS are one of the most poorly tanked ships when talking about fleet level fights with logi support. Sure they have a bit more ehp compared to Cruisers/HACs/ and BCs however their massively increased sig and slower speed coupled with standard t1 resistances mean that they have some of the worst mitigation out there.

A 10% resistance buff to BS across the board would have been a healthy change imo.

+1


You gents are going to be disapointed, they are nerfing the Rokh's and Abaddon's tanks by removing 5% resist off the top. It looks like every other ship with a resist bonus is going to get the same treatment too, if the Navy Drake is any indication.

They also promised a thread to talk about this resist change, but have yet to deliver.


There is quite a few things they have failed to deliver with the recent re-balancing especially with battleships and now these navy bc's massive tanks on them partially because T1 bc's tanks are too high just accuentuates things with battleships having such low tanks considering they are how much bigger than bc's? surely there tanks should be twice the size of normal bc's as the theme seems to be throughout the classes.

And how they don't see this is mind boggling that or they don't give a ****...

'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?  ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high

Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#255 - 2013-04-11 20:19:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Pertuabo Enkidgan
StrongSmartSexy wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
how about instead of more pirate and navy variations, how about just some new pirate races? completely new ships

EoM deserves to be elevated to the same level of attention as Guristas, Serpentis etc. complete with their own set of ships.
http://www.ravestats.com/public/fen/EoM_Hydra.jpg

On-topic, the new navy drake is interesting and it's explosion radius bonus is the first of it's kind. It'll be interesting to see if other missile boats will ever get a bonus like this.

I recall myself reading an old(5-6 years ago) devblog about why there aren't any player activities for EoM because it would cause al lot of resources, I think that was Ytterbium, don't quote me on that though. I'll try to find it



I think it was http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=705 but it's a 404 now :(.
DR BiCarbonate
Doomriders.
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#256 - 2013-04-11 20:32:53 UTC
hey look a pre-nerf hurricane! thanks so much ccp! and it'll only be like, 180m!

..... really?

******* douche bags ccp
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#257 - 2013-04-11 20:35:23 UTC
DR BiCarbonate wrote:
hey look a pre-nerf hurricane! thanks so much ccp! and it'll only be like, 180m!

..... really?

******* douche bags ccp

whinematard:D those tears
Autonomous Monster
Paradox Interstellar
#258 - 2013-04-11 20:43:04 UTC
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
Serpentis Myrmidon


Seems unlikely to me. Serp boats are all blasterboats.
Perihelion Olenard
#259 - 2013-04-11 20:44:28 UTC
Autonomous Monster wrote:
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
Serpentis Myrmidon


Seems unlikely to me. Serp boats are all blasterboats.

Rogue Drone myrmidon.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#260 - 2013-04-11 21:17:17 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
It's just not worth the price of admission over the standard 'Cane. It also seems like a lazy cop out after the apparent thought that went into the other Navy BCs.


Faction ships aren't supposed to be cost effective, Einstein.


Get a clue, Sherlock. They're not supposed to be hideously out of balance with regards to price/performance.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.