Intergalactic Summit

An interesting discovery, I will have to put aside some time to read through the report more extensively.

What an incredible undertaking and an amazing piece of work so far. If there's anything I can contribute from New Eden's perspective while undertaking my planetary photography, please don't hesitate to ask.

Good luck with your continued research. I look forward to reading the results as they progress.

Fly safe!
Katia

Good thoughts Borascus. The ring hypothesis is probably the only thing in the paper that Mark and I have significantly different ideas about - my own view is that they are either scattered between New Eden's stars (this is supportedthe by the "missing shattered planets" data) or the less likely idea that still fits the evidence is that they could be parallel alternate-dimensional locations, which is supported by the remarkable "twinning" phenomenon in which many Anoikis systems have been found that have stars that are precise matches to k-space stars, with identical planetary counts but of different types.

What I am additionally prepared to state based on Mark's findings is that due to a lack of stellar migration difference in sky patterns between w-space and k-space, there is not a massive time differential between the two. Any time travel or dilation effect is unlikely to be more than a few hundred years maximum, and likely there is no time differential at all.

I am looking forward to Eifyr's official conclusions.

I really appreciate you taking the time to allay my concerns.

I was merely voicing potential refutations that may have detracted from further study; early. I welcome your feedback and any relative distances inferred are impressive, considering the limited potential of extra solar cinematography from a camera drone.


I would once again like to thank you for producing a research document that is carried out so well.

Having served in the Apex Conglomerate. I often snuck myself into the Starsi assembly lines and stole a can or two right off the line. Some say soft drinks taste the same regardless of age. There is nothing like an ice cold Starsi just minutes after being made at any of the fine Starsi ( a subsidiary of the Apex Conglomerate ) production plants.

It's true that the stellar distribution of New Eden itself is fairly flat, especially compared to it's width or length. There could be any number of reasons why this is so, though i doubt that the Factions are going to be forthcoming on why they expanded only in some directions but not others. However, "height" of New Eden is, at best, only 10 to 20 light years or so (that number is off the top of my head, it may be a bit more than that). Even smaller spiral galaxies have disks significantly thicker than that. I am unaware of galactic pains that are this thin, though I'd be happy to look at research showing otherwise.

Furthermore, there's no proof that even if New Eden is located within a galactic disk that the plane of New Eden matches the hypothetical plane of the galaxy. The various stellar maps I've seen have shown no position relative to the galaxy at large. Even if New Eden is in a spiral galaxy (though personally I disagree with that still), the New Eden plane might be perpendicular to the galactic plane. We simply don't have the proof either way, though if you can point to any observations to that effect, I'll be happy to reconsider my views.

I will grant, however, that you have a point with the interstellar dust. There are large amounts of dust both within New Eden and wormhole space that make further observations difficult. While that certainly does point against an elliptical galaxy (which is typically very gas and dust poor), it by no means rules out irregular galaxies, which also can show prodigious rates of stellar formation and interstellar dust densities. In that respect, infrared observations from New Eden would probably go a long way towards solving that particular mystery, and I may petition Eifyr in the future to help in that regard.

I hope I'm not coming off as too dismissive of your points in this reply. You raise a number of good points (which I intend to mention and address in the Compass final report) and I'm merely trying to defend my theories as much as possible while granting that this is an area of continuing research. As I said above, if you have any particular data in this regard, I'd be happy to reconsider my own views. Unfortunately, I'll be traveling planet-side for the next few days, so any replies may be a bit delayed. I appreciate your critique!

EDITED: to fix formatting

I apologize for the lateness of the reply. Planetside matters took longer than I had anticipated. Before I respond directly to Ms. Yuri's points, I'd like to announce that Project Compass's final report has been postponed. It has come to my attention that new equipment for capsuleer camera drones will be coming soon increasing their ability to detect background interstellar objects ((I'm referring to the coming nebula updates)), with the potential for significant advances in Project Compass. Because of the significant changes that this may cause to my Compass conclusions, I will merely stand on my preliminary report for now, and re-canvass wormhole space systems if necessary once the new equipment is released.

With that out of the way, on to Ms. Yuri's points.



That is certainly plausible, but I'd feel much more comfortable with that conclusion if there was evidence as to why in particular the Empires expanded the gate network as they did. I'm not personally familiar with the filamentation of gas clouds in spiral compared to irregular or elliptical galaxies. Perhaps I'm putting too much reliance on the point, but I just can't get around the lack of banding that would suggest a location in a spiral disk. However, when the Project Compass final report does come out, I will be sure to note your theory.

It is a bit intriguing to me that nobody has actually went outright to break the misconceptions of New Eden as a spiral galaxy. However, it's glad to see that this has finally been carried out.

With regards to the spatial distribution of the Anoikis systems and your suggestion, do you have any theories regarding the distribution of fullerenes within New Eden? As we all know, the key to active Sleeper presence is the existence of fullerenes in the Anoikis systems. However, if Anoikis is in some sort of halo surrounding the rest of New Eden, I find myself hard pressed to imagine that Anoikis would have a heavy Fullerene presence, while New Eden proper would not.

Given the amount of deformation carried out in some of the constellations, does it not remain possible that while we are certainly by no means a great distance away due to spectroscopic similarities, that we are indeed within a different galaxy within the same local cluster? I find this result more likely due to the presence of fullerenes. Perhaps it requires a different galactic formation in order to develop fullerenes in the amount that we witness in Anoikis. I understand that you have made some preliminary amounts of deformation, though I find it difficult to consider the parallax calculations to be that accurate without more baselines than just angular seperation changes. We do not have an accurate distance to the Orion asterism, after all.

If necessary, I could petition bringing in a science vessel into Adhocrat space in order to take spectroscopic data from Anoikis systems, in order to confirm this hypothesis further. While I agree that it is likely that they are the same stars in the Orion constellation, I think that we may be able to find some sort of redshift to determine if there is a more significant difference in spatial coordinates between the Anoikis systems and New Eden.

Ideally, we would want to find another galaxy with which to take rotational data, but in the meantime, I believe that the stars in the Orion asterism would serve as enough data to at least come to an immediate result that can be confirmed or disproved by future studies.

Edit: I would like to note that the new nebula data should be sufficient to determine this same result of rotational data from a galaxy. Perhaps you could look for known molecular lines and measure the redshift in order to determine if Anoikis and New Eden are in the same galaxy. While I agree that the results seem to propose being in the same local group, I do not find it particularly convincing on the basis of fullerenes that we are in the same galaxy.

Indeed, I've just recently went over the data once more out of curiosity, and noted that you have accounted for the distance of the stars adequately for a preliminary report. That being said, the farther objects visible to the human eye go out to 2.5 MLyrs, and I can only imagine that the camera drones that we utilize have a greater efficiency than the average, non-upgraded human eye. I'm willing to agree that it is highly likely that we are within the same local group, but that small margin of error can magnify itself immensely in terms of parallax based calculations. If I might suggest, why don't you consider this quick New Eden based calculation to add to your final report? Choose two locations within Empire space that have a known distance between them, and repeat your camera drones to search for the Orion asterism. If the Orion asterism is as close as anticipated, you should be able to witness a stellar parallax that should allow you to, hopefully, determine the distance to the star.

While it is true that we have the Talocan and Sleeper civilizations within Anoikis, I do not think there is enough evidence to suggest that fullerenes were simply harvested out of New Eden to the point that they are no longer visible. If we are looking at an equal distribution of stars, why is it that we do not witness more Sleeper/Talocan ruins within New Eden proper, especially with regards to fullerene based technology? Why only in Anoikis? Those are the sorts of questions I find myself asking, if we are assuming Anoikis is within the same galaxy. I've proposed a study to look into the way fullerenes are utilized within the Talocan/Sleeper ruins between New Eden and Anoikis, but I have not heard back from project leads yet. Perhaps, though, it will verify that the New Eden ruins hold markers of Fullerene based technology to the degree to support your statements that it was a societal removal of fullerenes from space, as opposed to natural distributions.

While I cannot personally offer you access to our space, I could discuss this in the future with the Adhocrats to see if they would be willing to consider this on a one-time basis. If this is not the case, we certainly can modify ships within our space to the settings required for data collection, and then transmit the data to Arek'Jalaan for further research.