EVE General Discussion

It depends if we are in game or out of game.

Wow this is really touchy for you isn't it? Now I'm ignorant and narrow-minded.

But anyway I would just like an response that actually responds to the question I put, instead of one that talks about how someone got their "ass kicked" by a best friend in game - whatever that means.

Karl asked me to answer questions he put to me based on my position. I answered them. Now I would like the same from people who agree with his position.

I singled out 2 of the questions several times. Still no answers.

Oh wow then I'm practically Hannibal Lecter.

Pretty much this. It boils down to people's own personal intentions. If your intention is to hurt people (ie collect tears) make no mistake about it, you are a sadist. The game just happens to be the tool used to propogate malicious intentions.

Eve tends to attract some of the most bottom-of-the-barrel personalities precisely because the game allows for people that would normally get permabanned in other games not only survive but actually thrive in Eve. It's the price Eve pays for being a sandbox game.

But personally, I prefer they use Eve to grief rather than be out there hurting other people in other ways, maybe even hurting themselves. Kind of (but not really) the lesser of two evils.

Edit: In before "But but I'm a preacher and a doctor in real life and I help grannies cross the streets while saving children from orphanages!".

Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any derpier

Some individuals will tell you that morality is a social institution. And that in an environment where the social stucture doesn't exist due to the anonymity of the internet, it is logical that individuals would act like their "true" self.

Personally, I feel the mask we were for society is our true self... and that being a **** on the internet is just a bunch of people that have issues with themselves and have to let it out with complete anonymity.

I have answered these, but lets have another go at it, I've got some spare time I suppose.



You are arguing that the game in itself perpetuates an immoral activity, in this case is lying which, btw, is a stretch to be immoral in the first place. I said initially we could easily apply to this dog fighting. Its a sport. Its a game. Most consider it immoral.

Russian roulette is a game. Everyone agrees to the rules and know that they might die during the game. Again, many would say that this is game is immoral.

Lets throwing lying to people and blowing up internet spaceships into the same boat. At best what you can argue is intentional deception in an effort to acquire in game items that may or may not have out of game value (this tie is EXTREMELY tentative at best, so don't ride the "acquire items to pay for game time" argument into the sun). So, you are saying then that the act of deceit being allowed and supported in a game makes the game immoral. Well, since most board games rely on this as a strategic option, you are going to argue most games in existence. The very fact that they are so commonly played shows that those who are upset (really really upset) are misinterpreting the game or are simply bad sports.

The racial slur argument is completely out of context, because the game does not do this. If it did, it would be promoting a hate crime and probably would not survive the lawsuit. Have you ever played a *** game? Didn't think so. Stop applying these extreme examples to something that goes beyond the scope of the argument.




A) Lets take your direct example. Have I been bluffed by a friend in poker for over $100? Yes. Was I angry when it happened? Yes. Did I call him immoral for the play? Of course not.

Lets put this in EVE now. A friend just robbed me of 50bil. Would I be pissed. OH HELL YES. Would I show up at his place screaming bloody murder about what how evil I thought he was. Of course not. Would I trust him with my in game assets anymore. Of course not, I would have already begun plotting my vengeance (and it would be sweet).

Would I hit the bars with them? Check on how things are with his family? Shoot the sh*t from time to time? Talk about EVE? Of course I would, cause there has been some REAL F*CKING things we have gone through that extend BEYOND A GAME. You know...REALITY.

B) Trust them how? In game. LOL. No. I wouldn't loan them an ibis. Trust them to come over and house sit? Yes I would. They made a great play. Just because you have and adversary doesn't mean they can't be your friend. My dad has kicked my ass in chess for years, we get along great.


BTW I am still surprised you don't see the point of my earlier example. Why would you think you can't trust someone on game form their trespasses, but you wouldn't trust them out of game if you trusted them with all your assets in game? Unless you don't trust people at all. Or, you couldn't trust someone in a game without trusting them as a person, in which case make sure never play poker together.

Like football (American or otherwise) play is an opportunity to exercise the parts of our psyche that go unused in this modern regulated society we inhabit. We all need to be ready to protect our genetic interest in the next generation, but we have little opportunity to practice the combat skills that might be necessary if the modern world were to go to hell.

Games in themselves encourage players to be sadistic and masochistic. Typically we call it a challenge. We enjoy the experience as a whole. Simply calling ppl sadists is just trolling, because there is a huge gap between splodering someones internet pixels and whipping someone while you jerk it.

*Edit: what a quote to start page 15 lol

I am sure there are rogue games out there forged to encourage sadism and cruel intentions. But that is not what games generally are for. And I don't think Eve is meant to be a game played to bring out the worst in people either. Just like most games it is meant to instill discipline, team spirit, and a healthy dose of entertainment.

And for the record, playing the bad guy in Eve doesn't necessarily make you bad in real life. But playing a sadistic a-hole out to collect tears for your own amusement, as a few idiots proudly profess, well, that's no longer playing at all. Those are actually *real* malicious feelings that you have and project to others using the game as the tool to deliver rather than a simple entertainment venue.

If you get enjoyment from causing misery to others you can pretend all you want that it's just in-game, but the fact is that your enjoyment is very real. And that is the very definition of sadism.