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[Odyssey] Navy Battlecruisers

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Lidia Caderu
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#181 - 2013-04-11 07:13:18 UTC
Why Brutix not Myrmidon?!
Martin0
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#182 - 2013-04-11 07:34:07 UTC
Soooooo the navy brutix will be as expensive as an astarte without t2 resists.

And now there are 4 ships with the brutix hull.

Really, why not a Navy Myrmidon with the same bonuses? The model also have 6 turrets.

Don't tell us "myrmidon is a drone boat" because the exequror is a logi but the navy exequror is an awesome blasterboat.
Lidia Caderu
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#183 - 2013-04-11 07:37:38 UTC
You can make Myrm like this:

+10% turret damage
+10% drone damage

100/175 for drones (200 dronehold is too big)
7 hi slots, 7 turrets

else is pretty same
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#184 - 2013-04-11 07:56:12 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
It's just not worth the price of admission over the standard 'Cane. It also seems like a lazy cop out after the apparent thought that went into the other Navy BCs.


Faction ships aren't supposed to be cost effective, Einstein.
El Geo
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#185 - 2013-04-11 08:16:38 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Jureth22 wrote:
but why brutix and not myrmidon?
Because we finally have our dps + tracking BC for fleets! But yeah, need more T2/Faction Myrm hulls out there (instead of them all being Brutix huls).


I agree

Jureth22 wrote:
but why brutix and not myrmidon?


indeed

CCP, y u no make more myrms????

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Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#186 - 2013-04-11 08:18:57 UTC
They look cool,but do we really need this ships?

Good they are expensive so people will still use T1 hulls over this ones.But also their price shows that CCP is not really upset about inflation that is present it EVE atm.
El Geo
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#187 - 2013-04-11 08:22:33 UTC
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
These seem fair but not op. Cant wait to see that serpentis myrmidon u got planned ;-)


Serpentis myrmidon.... Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smile

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Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
#188 - 2013-04-11 08:29:39 UTC
Exactly, the Serp skin looks fantastic on the Myrm, it's all greeny black and vertical. Who can complain with a Vertical serpentis ship??
Absolon Echerie
Roving Guns Inc.
Pandemic Legion
#189 - 2013-04-11 08:33:39 UTC
Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
Can you tell us why you chose the brutix instead of the myrm? The brutix already has the Eos and astarte. I know the myrms a drone boat, but come on, that really sucks :( I dont mind if you give it hybrid weaps instead of drones for the navy version, just give the gallente the same hull treatment :(


maybe pirate version of the myrm? would be easier to explain since the guristas use drone boats (worm,gila, rattler)
so a pirate myrm would fit in nice as an armor variant or even refocussed to shield
Hakan MacTrew
Konrakas Forged
Solyaris Chtonium
#190 - 2013-04-11 08:38:59 UTC
El Geo wrote:
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
These seem fair but not op. Cant wait to see that serpentis myrmidon u got planned ;-)


Serpentis myrmidon.... Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smile

+9001

Persoanlly, I like all the NBC's. Wasn't sure about the Harby not having a cap use bonus, but that 5th mid should help offset it's dependancy. At least all the fool's who begged for it's removal have finally got their wish.

Launchers!. Fitting will be a bit of a squeeze on that Drake. May require an impant or two... But the added bonuses are tastey.

The return of the Welpcane. I was hoping for something special on it, something unique. But I can see a lot of people are happy to see it's return. And it will always be a solid layout.

The Brutix? Really? Nice stats, but I was hoping for a Myrm. Fingers crossed for the eventual Pirate versions... (Unless you can fit the Myrm skin in here and use the tier 3 hulls for the Pirates... Now that has potential.)

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wallenbergaren
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#191 - 2013-04-11 08:39:52 UTC  |  Edited by: wallenbergaren
Gypsio III wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
It's just not worth the price of admission over the standard 'Cane. It also seems like a lazy cop out after the apparent thought that went into the other Navy BCs.


Faction ships aren't supposed to be cost effective, Einstein.


That doesn't mean they can't be overpriced.

A Navy Geddon is 150k LP, a Navy Harb is 125k LP. Does that give you a hint?

Then consider the fact that this class of BC has many natural predators. Aside from the Drake none of them are going to be particularly great kiting ships, and as brawlers BCs have shined because of their price performance ratio. But these ships will be competing in price with Command Ships which completely outclass them.

The faction BSes are used because there aren't T2 variants that outperform them, same with many of the frigates. The faction Cruisers are used because their price sits in a nice spot, a Stabber Fleet is 50m, not 120m. At this current price these ships are little more than a novelty, at ~120m they might actually get used.
tasman devil
Puritans
#192 - 2013-04-11 09:47:02 UTC
First pass from me:

Amarr Navy BC is shhhh..

Amarr Harbinger:

-1 med
+1/2 low

at a minimum


Minmatar Hurricane:
drop the launchers.
Since they are un-bonused, nobody will use them and that means the Hurricane will have TWO utility highs instead of ONE like all other races (DNI has none, Caldari forgot about that, apparently).
Also reduce the Drone bay and bandwidth to 25/25

You also could re-think about the bonuses. Currently (+5% damage +7,5% rate of fire) will make it a joy to ride.


Gallente Brutix NI:

+1 med,
-1 low

othen then that it is good to go. Or you could boost the drones to 75/75


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Firu Issier
Dodixie Money Front
#193 - 2013-04-11 10:26:52 UTC
Lidia Caderu wrote:
You can make Myrm like this:

+10% turret damage
+10% drone damage

100/175 for drones (200 dronehold is too big)
7 hi slots, 7 turrets

else is pretty same


This looks great but we all know that CCP hates gallente and we never get would we want. Sad
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#194 - 2013-04-11 10:30:52 UTC
tasman devil wrote:
Minmatar Hurricane:
drop the launchers.
Since they are un-bonused, nobody will use them and that means the Hurricane will have TWO utility highs instead of ONE like all other races (DNI has none, Caldari forgot about that, apparently).


Hurricane already has two utility highs. It's just that those utilities can also be used as launchers if you so please, it goes with minmatar versatity doctrine.
Katsami
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
Crimson Inquisicion
#195 - 2013-04-11 10:38:26 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
It's just not worth the price of admission over the standard 'Cane. It also seems like a lazy cop out after the apparent thought that went into the other Navy BCs.


Faction ships aren't supposed to be cost effective, Einstein.


Faction ships are also at least supposed to provide a nominal upgrade over T1 for that inflated price.

These don't even come close.
Katsami
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
Crimson Inquisicion
#196 - 2013-04-11 10:40:27 UTC
Hakan MacTrew wrote:
El Geo wrote:
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
These seem fair but not op. Cant wait to see that serpentis myrmidon u got planned ;-)


Serpentis myrmidon.... Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smile

+9001

Persoanlly, I like all the NBC's. Wasn't sure about the Harby not having a cap use bonus, but that 5th mid should help offset it's dependancy. At least all the fool's who begged for it's removal have finally got their wish.

Launchers!. Fitting will be a bit of a squeeze on that Drake. May require an impant or two... But the added bonuses are tastey.

The return of the Welpcane. I was hoping for something special on it, something unique. But I can see a lot of people are happy to see it's return. And it will always be a solid layout.

The Brutix? Really? Nice stats, but I was hoping for a Myrm. Fingers crossed for the eventual Pirate versions... (Unless you can fit the Myrm skin in here and use the tier 3 hulls for the Pirates... Now that has potential.)


It can't be called a Welpcane if you can't actually Welp it.
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#197 - 2013-04-11 10:48:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonas Sukarala
CCP Ytterbium is there not a concern over their tank being better than most battleships?
Btw love the brutix its kind of what people want the T1 brutix to be like...
also a little concerned the drake will basically replace the old drake .. yes slightly more expensive but null sec alliances aren't short of isk..

'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?  ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high

OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#198 - 2013-04-11 11:01:40 UTC
So on a different point of view, not just commenting the numbers, it's all about paying 5x the price of the boat, to get decent performances back. This after all the "balance" speech. After the OP drama. After all the s*it about how bad Blobs are.
Not that i don't like the "new" boats, or care about their price. Just about the hypochrisy and the "because i say so" thing. Lol, CCP. Lol. Lol. Lol.Big smile
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"Why not rise prices on the BC's from start?", would one ask. Just to avoid s*hit throwed from the fan, an direct it to forum people wich were more than happy to show their hate to the things they don't fly. Simple "good cop/bad cop" game. Those guys have blonde chicks in the Marketing department. Blonde JEW chicks. Small, but important detail. Don't serve me the "it's a game" argument, please. For us, it's a game. For them, it's a bussines. "Pay to Win" is bad just when money go in a unwanted direction. Let's guess... who says where's the good direction?
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Any ideea how...balanced will the militia guys incomes be after this one?
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Even like this i want my awesome EvE back.
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#199 - 2013-04-11 11:04:46 UTC
im guessing they all have the command link bonus like T1 ?....
the brutix will surely obsolete the mega same tank almost same slots and much more mobile.....

'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?  ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high

Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#200 - 2013-04-11 11:15:17 UTC
hmm usually how much isk 1000lp worth? or could somebody tell us probably what will be the cost of one of these things?